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But is National currently bullying someone with obvious mental health issues?
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6 o'clock closing for pubs and the wives and kids getting the bash would go hand in hand back in the day! He his old enough to remember them days!
There’s a theory called Peter principle, which states “"In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.”
It’s intended to explain how people, particularly in management, rise through the levels until their incompetence prevents them from rising further
I think the same can be applied to public figures. They’ll get as far as they can until some, inevitably, reveal themselves to be muppets. I think this applies to guys like Mike King, but also Kiri Allen, Stuart Nash, Golriz, Casey Costello, Mam, etc
It’s intended to explain how people, particularly in management, rise through the levels until their incompetence prevents them from rising further
I think the same can be applied to public figures. They’ll get as far as they can until some, inevitably, reveal themselves to be muppets. I think this applies to guys like Mike King, but also Kiri Allen, Stuart Nash, Golriz, Casey Costello, Mam, etc
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Its not a great look at all. I think King has chosen his words very poorly but has also been jumped all over for it. Certainly seems like the media are taking a line and making it a headline.
From King:
“Alcohol is not a problem for people with mental health issues.
“It’s actually the solution to our problem and until you come with a better solution …
“It stops those thoughts,” he explained.
“I would suggest to you that alcohol has prevented more young people from taking their own lives than it actually makes them take their own lives.
“I mean, I’m a drug addict, an alcoholic; my whole life, I’ve used drugs and alcohol to stop that little voice inside my head that told me that I wasn’t good enough, that I was useless.
“It’s a release, it’s like a video game.
“It’s like methadone, it keeps us going until some help comes along. It’s our life jacket.”
and from Mental Health Foundation chief executive Shaun Robinson
Robinson said he believed King’s heart was in the right place, and suggested King may have been confused when making those comments on the radio. Robinson said King may have intended to say that self-medication was a reality many faced, rather than saying it was a good option for people.
“I do agree [with King] that many people experiencing mental distress use alcohol as self-medication because they don’t have any other option,” he said.
I don't believe that King believes that alcohol and drugs is the 'cure' or 'solution' to mental health.
From King:
“Alcohol is not a problem for people with mental health issues.
“It’s actually the solution to our problem and until you come with a better solution …
“It stops those thoughts,” he explained.
“I would suggest to you that alcohol has prevented more young people from taking their own lives than it actually makes them take their own lives.
“I mean, I’m a drug addict, an alcoholic; my whole life, I’ve used drugs and alcohol to stop that little voice inside my head that told me that I wasn’t good enough, that I was useless.
“It’s a release, it’s like a video game.
“It’s like methadone, it keeps us going until some help comes along. It’s our life jacket.”
and from Mental Health Foundation chief executive Shaun Robinson
Robinson said he believed King’s heart was in the right place, and suggested King may have been confused when making those comments on the radio. Robinson said King may have intended to say that self-medication was a reality many faced, rather than saying it was a good option for people.
“I do agree [with King] that many people experiencing mental distress use alcohol as self-medication because they don’t have any other option,” he said.
I don't believe that King believes that alcohol and drugs is the 'cure' or 'solution' to mental health.
John Nick
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While I am not knocking the guy in any shape or form.
Having had something to do with him I wasn't surprised by his comments/attitude.
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“I mean, I’m a drug addict, an alcoholic; my whole life, I’ve used drugs and alcohol to stop that little voice inside my head that told me that I wasn’t good enough, that I was useless.
The telling part when he said those comments.
He’s a few screws loose and has always been open about it.
The telling part when he said those comments.
He’s a few screws loose and has always been open about it.
John Nick
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I can't help wondering what Dave Letele is thinking
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Over the years, I've had a bit to do with Dave..... absolutely sucks that his money has dried up.I thought Dave Letele was just as worthy and he got zilch.
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We need to improve people's health and the other part is helping people who are struggling and need assistance.I thought Dave Letele was just as worthy and he got zilch.
Letele going from an overweight boxer to someone pushing health is a great story.
A shame he has found it hard to keep things going. Listening to him being interviewed he sounded worn out so I can understand.
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I don't think he would have begrudged Mike King getting funding either. He was quite scathing of the previous government not doing anything and a member of the nutters club. It shouldn't be an either or scenario. Both require funding.
Post from 3 years ago:
'Absolute disgrace': Dave Letele says government doesn't 'care for poor people'
Pacific Mornings hosted a panel with budgeting service mentors and financial analysts to speak on the current reality for struggling families across Aotearoa.
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He’s also been quite critical of the current government. I wonder with some hindsight now whether he still holds the same view? At least he had funding before. Looks like both governments have been a letdown in this regard to him
In regards to mental health, yes I think he would hold that same view.'Absolute disgrace': Dave Letele says government doesn't 'care for poor people'
Pacific Mornings hosted a panel with budgeting service mentors and financial analysts to speak on the current reality for struggling families across Aotearoa.pmn.co.nz
He’s also been quite critical of the current government. I wonder with some hindsight now whether he still holds the same view? At least he had funding before. Looks like both governments have been a letdown in this regard to him
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Letele has the right to be dirty on both governments. Seems like a straight forward type of guy.
Swinging slashes without direction or meaning to the public service in Wellington, resulting in mass job losses and a huge reduction in the cbd working community.
No facts or evidence to support this government blaming the downturn in patronage on the working from homes policy.
Clumsy, authoritarian nanny state interference from the so called free speech champions
Absolutely poor mismanagement, covering up the fact that National, Act and the Reserve bank have both caused and deepened this man made recession, then look to push the blame outwards
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No facts or evidence to support this government blaming the downturn in patronage on the working from homes policy.
Clumsy, authoritarian nanny state interference from the so called free speech champions
Absolutely poor mismanagement, covering up the fact that National, Act and the Reserve bank have both caused and deepened this man made recession, then look to push the blame outwards
No list of businesses to back Willis’ work-from-home stance
Nicola Willis said office attendance data was key to reforming working from home, but could only cite anecdotal evidence from conversations she never recorded.
newsroom.co.nz
Meanwhile, in another display of appalling economic management and misprudence, Seymour lies and completely overrides the tendering and procurement process, which will result in more privatisation, offshore profits, and job losses in New Zeqland
National and Act are hellbent on economic destruction at the expense of all but the very wealthy.
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National and Act are hellbent on economic destruction at the expense of all but the very wealthy.
Up to 2000 people could lose jobs over school lunch changes
"We thought we could rely on the ministry to do what they said they were going to do."
www.rnz.co.nz
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