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[MrFrankWhite]

They can't all be doing nothing all day ...or can they?

The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes (the "vital few").

The public service self select people who aren't "high performers" at a much higher rate. This then leads to institutional culture. But yes the entire public service will be being maintained by the 20%. I mean HR managers & cultural advisors dont really produce much now do they?

 

[Inruin]

The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes (the "vital few").

The public service self select people who aren't "high performers" at a much higher rate. This then leads to institutional culture. But yes the entire public service will be being maintained by the 20%. I mean HR managers & cultural advisors dont really produce much now do they?

Pretty much this. The 80% have a Lack of urgency, lack of performance, low output. The other 20% producing value and getting frustrated by the other 80% so they either leave or lower themselves to that level because why wouldn't they?

 

[Worried2Death]

@Worried2Death this includes what I'm talking about. Invisible layers of bureaucrats and bureaucrats, driving up costs and lowering effectiveness.

But also an excellent write up on why DEI is so bad. Self serving grifting bullshit.

The University of Michigan Doubled Down on D.E.I. What Went Wrong?

A decade and a quarter of a billion dollars later, students and faculty are more frustrated than ever.

www.nytimes.com

Pretty damning alright

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

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You mean public services roles have gone UP under National???

Someone on here was going on about austerity, privatisation, corruption and SLASHING THE PUBLIC SERVICE.

I’m sure he linked a Twitter post about it or something so this can’t be right!

 

[Rizzah]

Pretty much this. The 80% have a Lack of urgency, lack of performance, low output. The other 20% producing value and getting frustrated by the other 80% so they either leave or lower themselves to that level because why wouldn't they?

This is everywhere, not just in the public service.
The majority of the employees at the company I work for, could perish tomorrow and it would continue unaffected.

 

[Rizzah]

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A FTE figure over time is kinda meaningless. It doesn't take into account population growth or expansion of services and need. It'd be better to see what the percentage of the workforce is employed by the PS and how this has changed over time. Not forgetting we had pretty extreme population growth in NZ over that time
Even then, what is an ideal number of public service employees? Remembering they cover a wide range of roles - healthcare, education, law enforcement, public safety, social services, environmental/conservation, regulatory agencies, government administration.
I can think of a few sectors off the top of my head which don't have enough staff, healthcare - nursing, doctors. education, social services, courts and policing.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

A FTE figure over time is kinda meaningless. It doesn't take into account population growth or expansion of services and need. It'd be better to see what the percentage of the workforce is employed by the PS and how this has changed over time. Not forgetting we had pretty extreme population growth in NZ over that time
Even then, what is an ideal number of public service employees? Remembering they cover a wide range of roles - healthcare, education, law enforcement, public safety, social services, environmental/conservation, regulatory agencies, government administration.
I can think of a few sectors off the top of my head which don't have enough staff, healthcare - nursing, doctors. education, social services, courts and policing.

Read the graph. It excludes front line public service workers

 

[Rizzah]

Read the graph. It excludes front line public service workers

My mistake. What does it look like as a percentage of the workforce? And core service won't all be trivial roles.

 

[Inruin]

This is everywhere, not just in the public service.
The majority of the employees at the company I work for, could perish tomorrow and it would continue unaffected.

Has your company personal doubled in size without a corresponding rise in improvement? There are always examples of employees at companies like that but the difference is the number of layers and people in the public sector and the overall level of output.

 

[Rizzah]

Has your company personal doubled in size without a corresponding rise in improvement? There are always examples of employees at companies like that but the difference is the number of layers and people in the public sector and the overall level of output.

We have doubled our R&D department for zero output.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

This is everywhere, not just in the public service.
The majority of the employees at the company I work for, could perish tomorrow and it would continue unaffected.

And while this is very true, I bet its like 75% at private companies and 85% at public. Basically the same but significant in terms of distribution

 

[Inruin]

We have doubled our R&D department for zero output.

Weren't you pushing for more investment in R&D?

 

[Rizzah]

Weren't you pushing for more investment in R&D?

Ha! I was. It's not the investment that's the issue.

 

[Inruin]

And while this is very true, I bet its like 75% at private companies and 85% at public. Basically the same but significant in terms of distribution

I suggest there is more urgency and accountability in general too in private companies.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

This is everywhere, not just in the public service.
The majority of the employees at the company I work for, could perish tomorrow and it would continue unaffected.

Honestly mate, find a new employer.

Your employer doesn’t have any ambition so your talents are wasted there

Go to a high performing company!

 

[Rizzah]

Honestly mate, find a new employer.

Your employer doesn’t have any ambition so your talents are wasted there

Go to a high performing company!

The company makes a heap of $$, so it papers over many many cracks! I run the money making division, so I'm happy with my output.

 

[Inruin]

The company makes a heap of $$, so it papers over many many cracks! I run the money making division, so I'm happy with my output.

Are you rewarded for your performance?

 

[Rizzah]

Are you rewarded for your performance?

Yes.

 

[Bay39er]

Are you rewarded for your performance?

Some nosey keints on this thread!

 

[Inruin]

Some nosey keints on this thread!

I didn't ask him how much!

I get rewarded too.

Perhaps I should have spelt it out a little more for those who may have missed the point. There is no reward for performing in the public sector.