fair point
although I think if he was proposing anything to do with māori it would be regarded with distrust
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although I think if he was proposing anything to do with māori it would be regarded with distrust
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WHere's @wizard of Tauranga when you need him .... to analyse this poll
www.nzherald.co.nz
New poll results show closer fight between Hipkins, Luxon
It follows a poor public poll for the Labour leader.
So your whole view is based on the website of the political party funded to the hilt by nefarious donors?
The party pushing this and gun rights in the middle of a dire recession.
And no academics, politicians, church organisation or anyone with credibility will support this because... they're scared?
Not the principles have been changing?
Or that Seymour didn't engage with the other Treaty Partner at all in the policy. You understand the term TREATY PARTNER?
or not that the bill was found to
* lack policy imperative to justify it's development
* was based on flawed policy rationales
* was novel in its interpretations of the treaty
* was fashioned on a disingenuous historical narrative
* distorted the text of the treaty
Maybe you should look outside the ACT party PR Machine for a view...
Here's some qualified tories willing to chat on it
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srlv21qAA_I
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Among the group above I don't think they are awash with credible people.
Why are those more important than the electorate?
I didn’t even bother to look at the video when I saw Matthew Hooton’s face. Why would anyone place value on a lobbyist’s “opinion”?
If you support the bill - make a public statement in support of it.
Just like the wide array of church leaders, academics etc have in opposition.
The electorate? 8% Act voters you mean?
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no, not my view. But if I am cutting and pasting a party’s proposed legislation, word for word, to show what the bill’s about am going to do so from straight from published page regarding the bill. I thought I was quite clear that it was straight from the website, and not an expression of my views
Anyway, I have obviously hit a nerve.
I had no idea that the following incendiary proposal by Seymour have such vehement opposition:
All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties
Did your parents really invest money into sending you to private school for you to reply that?I didn’t even bother to look at the video when I saw Matthew Hooton’s face. Why would anyone place value on a lobbyist’s “opinion”?
Why would I make a public statement?
I don't hold the group you mentioned in high regard.
I mean the electorate, all eligible voters.
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Have you been carrying a chip on your shoulder about private schooling your entire life?
I'm just curious how all that money was spent on your education & that was your reply on the topic of the video
Posting Act Party PR...
Dropping emoji's on differing views...
Do they teach critical thinking at private school? Us poor's will never know.
The Act Party website is not the actual bill...
Have you read literally anything outside of the Act Party website?
Do you really think posting the benign parts of the PR spin actually make it all better?
Are peoples grasp of the treaty really this bad?
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one of the things that we were taught was to think critically by not posting the opinions of hundreds of religious leaders and lobbyists, and to form our own views on things. And to make it clear when we are pasting from a website, verbatim.
Unfortunately, the above doesn’t appear to have been part of the national curriculum, so you tend to get some confusion when people can’t interpret the difference and rely on “leaders” for their political guidance
Anyway, where I went to school has no bearing on this subject matter, so let’s just get back to politics
Ok how about providing lany sort of reading material oropinion on the topic outside of Act Party PR spin so we can all read the differing view on the forum. Could you even do that?
You realise even just mentioning lobbyists while trying desperately to defend a shoddy Act Party policy is utterly ridiculous right?
That was my point about the emoji - blatantly dismissing a video with the ex National Party Waitangi Negotiator & Hooton because of Hooton is a "lobbyist" all the while defending a shoddy policy by a party up to their eyeballs in lobbyists.
And I get the lecture on critical thinking.
Do they teach civics at private schools?
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māori who leave New Zealand aren't the bottom of the socio economic ladder, as they have both the means and desire to seek better opportunity. This is statistics we are talking. Of course there are less than average IQs leaving and higher than average staying.
I dont understand? Solo father households do better than solo mother households across all races, and soci economic backgrounds. But if you are saying māori have worse outcomes simply by being māori then Id want to see it accounted for IQ to be revolutionary
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Thats classed as IQ.
It takes generations to breed out. The Anglo's were afraid of bathing when the Saxons civilized them. Now the English act like they invented civilization
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My take on it is that māori in NZ are over represented in the lower socio economic group in the country, though not limited to just māori there either. This is likely because of a mix of historical issues, lack of role models, education, victim mentality, members of that group keeping them down, lack of ambition or drive to better ones self etc. That group would seem to me to be more likely to be committing crimes for a number of various reasons and therefore over representative in crime statistics. Add the problem we have with 501s being deported back here, though I would consider this a fairly low percentage of the problem.
Those who move to Australia seem more wanting to better themselves or their circumstances, remove themselves from their current environment, possibly have more ambition and have achieved a decent level of education. They likely move with a job already lined up. Probably more likely to be driven, focused, less of a victim mentality and a desire to succeed with a limited safety net available to them.
Take Pita Hiku for example. He himself has said that he needed to get away from his environment to succeed. He had mates here wanting him to get on the piss all the time. Without moving out of that, he would have been just another could have been good player.
The percentage of māori in NZ prisons is not dissimilar to the percentage of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in Australian prison. I would expect there are similar concerns and issues driving this as well.
In my opinion, a focus on education and lifting productivity is the way forward. Specific policies should be made on low socio economic group rather than on specific ethnicity or race. While historical issues and injustices are obviously a cause, when do they become an excuse rather than a reason for outcomes and an environment for a self fulfilling prophecy? I feel we are near that point now, if not there already. 170,000 māori doing well in Australia would seem to be a very good indicator of that.
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100%.
My guess is that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in New Zealand would have the same marked reduction in prison rates as māori in Australia.
