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And yet Marv, it underpins everything in this country and we're witnessing a resurgence right now of the same trickle down bullshit that got us mostly in this mess that we're in. The fact that the right wing echo chamber on here shouts "Commie" and "Socialist" at the first sign of any counter to the prevailing neolib narrative says it all about youse fullas.
 
Who said anything back?

Property investment isn't just one of the avenues, it's the main avenue,
Just look at the MPs declared assets for instance (or who funds the ruling party)

Don't you think this inhibits innovation when the system incentives parking money in property?

Who said drag everybody back?

This thread is such a shambles when you can have values like wanting affordable housing for all, equal opportunities for all children, policy centred around the environment and get accused of being a communist.
100%, far more articulately said than I ever do. And I have stated my case many times in terms of values, and can't really be f*cked with the narrow minded privilege on display here.
 
Terrible decision to cancel the new ferries - https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/maint...rislander-ferries/BN46FNYCRFDDXKF6MLLOHBIRXY/

Maintenance costs double for KiwiRail’s ageing Cook Strait Interislander ferries​

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Estimated annual maintenance costs to keep KiwiRail’s three ageing Interislander ferries running could almost double to $65 million by next year, and keeping the ferries afloat will be an “ongoing battle”.
A previous assessment of the fleet’s condition raised concerns about steel corrosion, metal getting weak and cracking, and prohibitive maintenance expenses.
The project to replace the fleet with two mega ferries was left dead in the water in December after overall costs, including new terminals and wharf upgrades, ballooned to almost $3 billion and the new Government refused to fund the blowout.
Finance Minister Nicola Willis has previously refused to commit to replacing the fleet by 2026, which is when the now-cancelled mega ferries were due to arrive.
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Given the project’s history of delays, budget blowouts, and other problems, Willis said people were “dreaming” if they thought the mega ferries would be up and running with the necessary port development in place by that time.
A Ministerial Advisory Group is looking into new options for the future of the ferry service.

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The 2021 detailed business case for the mega ferry project paints a challenging picture of the reality KiwiRail will be up against while attempting to keep its ships in shape for longer.
“The cost of maintaining the current fleet is becoming prohibitive,” the report said.
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It cost $33m to maintain the fleet in 2021/22.
KiwiRail estimated the annual maintenance cost would almost double to $65m if the existing fleet is required to continue across 2025-2030.
“The existing ferries will reach the end of their serviceable and economic lives by the mid-2020s and will become increasingly unreliable and costly to maintain,” the report said.
“Ships’ lives cannot be extended in perpetuity. Rust and obsolescence of systems means the ships will ultimately lose their maritime ‘warrant of fitness’ and have to stop operating.”
Finance Minister Nicola Willis has previously refused to commit to replacing the Interislander fleet in some shape or form by 2026. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Finance Minister Nicola Willis has previously refused to commit to replacing the Interislander fleet in some shape or form by 2026. Photo / Mark Mitchell
The Herald asked KiwiRail for updated estimated maintenance costs but none were available.
Interislander executive general manager Duncan Roy said the cost of maintaining the fleet is commercially sensitive - however, it was expected to rise as the ships age.
“KiwiRail will continue to run a safe and reliable Interislander service for passengers and their cars, and freight, while working with stakeholders on the ferry replacement project,” Roy said.
The mega ferry business case specifically addressed the physical condition of the Interislander fleet and said KiwiRail was “pushing right up against an unacceptable risk profile”.
There were concerns about the corrosion of pipes, deck plates and tanks due to the harsh marine environment. An example was given of $300,000 being spent on repairing just one small section of pipe.
“A major issue faced with the fleet is corrosion in pipework and exposed decks, which Interislander is dealing with at dry dock, but [which] will be an ongoing battle up until the ships retire from service.”
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Repetitive vibration caused by mechanical equipment and heavy seas would eventually cause the metal in key parts of the ships to become weak and crack, the report said.
“Sometimes this can be very sudden and unexpected.”
Estimated annual maintenance costs to keep KiwiRail’s three ageing Interislander ferries running could almost double to $65 million by next year. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Estimated annual maintenance costs to keep KiwiRail’s three ageing Interislander ferries running could almost double to $65 million by next year. Photo / Mark Mitchell
The electronic systems that control critical systems on the ships become unsupported by their manufacturers and it is impossible to get replacement parts, the report said.
“Many systems now also lack internal knowledge as staff will have retired, which is just as important as the parts themselves.”
As the fleet ages, regulatory inspections become much more detailed and stringent, meaning the ships could be out of service for longer periods of time, the report said.
“On top of being very expensive and uneconomical, at worst, the regulator may prevent the ships being used for operations.”
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KiwiRail’s most recent half-year report said its leadership team was committed to safety and service reliability for customers.
This was shown by Interislander’s determination to move on from the incident when its ferry Kaitaki lost power in Cook Strait with 864 people on board and started drifting towards the South Coast, the half-year report said.
“The safe and reliable operation of the Interislander service is an absolute non-negotiable requirement for KiwiRail. Since this event, we have conducted a full review of all our asset management practices, using global maritime experts (Det Norske Veritas) to ensure we are operating the Interislander to [the] world’s best-practice standards, based on the age and condition of our existing fleet.”
Roy said the three ships were the workhorses of Cook Strait.
“They have delivered excellent performance in recent months, with our enhanced maintenance programme producing tangible results, with 99 per cent reliability and 92 per cent safe, on-time performance to schedule during December to April.”
KiwiRail told Transport Minister Simeon Brown in a weekly report from earlier this year the investment in maintenance has helped rebuild confidence in Interislander.
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The state-owned enterprise also told Brown Interislander passed its annual Maritime New Zealand (MNZ) audit with excellent results and its operating licence was renewed.
“Just over a year ago, our MNZ audit found nine non-conformities (some major) and 13 observations. A year later and we have recorded zero non-conformities and four observations. This is an exceptional outcome and has come about through a lot of hard work at many levels.”
Georgina Campbell is a Wellington-based reporter who has a particular interest in local government, transport, and seismic issues. She joined the Herald in 2019 after working as a broadcast journalist.
And reaffirming this is an amazingly shit decision. Inept at best.
 
And yet Marv, it underpins everything in this country and we're witnessing a resurgence right now of the same trickle down bullshit that got us mostly in this mess that we're in. The fact that the right wing echo chamber on here shouts "Commie" and "Socialist" at the first sign of any counter to the prevailing neolib narrative says it all about youse fullas.
not me mate.
all i’ve ever said is they’re all crooks.
every last one of them spouts the same bullshit and underdelivers while blaming someone else.

the only thing i can hear in my echo chamber is fuck the lot of them.

it does baffle me however the few guys here who seem to believe there’s a good side and they have our best interests at heart.
 

Bay39er

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Does PM Luxon have a fetish for touching people?

Every time he is shown on TV meeting dignitaries he seems always to put his hand on their back - a bit like a Pat on the back
 
100%, far more articulately said than I ever do. And I have stated my case many times in terms of values, and can't really be f*cked with the narrow minded privilege on display here.
Genuine question to debate:

If we have no individualism, self interest and incentives to work hard… why will anyone do it?

Given a push towards socialism (strengthen workers and renters rights, more sick leave, minimum wage and benefits increasing above inflation, etc) could be summarised as a reduction in labour output leaving us all poorer, how do you propose to overcome humans nature to take the easiest route possible without a ‘push’?

In the past we had religions to incentivise strong work ethics. But how will your solution work without capitalism and risk/ reward that incentivises effort?
 
not me mate.
all i’ve ever said is they’re all crooks.
every last one of them spouts the same bullshit and underdelivers while blaming someone else.

the only thing i can hear in my echo chamber is fuck the lot of them.

it does baffle me however the few guys here who seem to believe there’s a good side and they have our best interests at heart.
You may despise politicians but you definitely lean into right wing ideology
 

Worried2Death

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People with intelligence and drive have been incentivised to enrich their lives. Imagine the state we would be in if smart people weren’t encouraged and rewarded for their efforts.
Depends what you mean by "smart people", the problem is at the extreme edges. We incentivise the kind of smarts it takes to accumulate vast weath over the intelligence required to be a surgeon or scientist, the former rewards psychopathy, which is the main flaw of neoliberalism, but the system was set up by the mega wealthy to do just that after the great depression as I understand the philosophy.
 

Worried2Death

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In the past we had religions to incentivise strong work ethics. But how will your solution work without capitalism and risk/ reward that incentivises effort?
Both religion and capitalist systems are always corrupted when psychopaths attain power, just human nature. There's no god and no perfect system, and as marv says all politicians are corrupt cunts with narcissistic personality disorders, which makes them easily compromised by dark forces in the shadow kingdom where our so-called democracies are bought and sold. Amen 🙏.
 
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Depends what you mean by "smart people", the problem is at the extreme edges. We incentivise the kind of smarts it takes to accumulate vast weath over the intelligence required to be a surgeon or scientist, the former rewards psychopathy, which is the main flaw of neoliberalism, but the system was set up by the mega wealthy to do just that after the great depression as I understand the philosophy.
Oh I was referring to the vastly wealthy psychopaths for sure - where would this country be without them. They need to be cherished!
 

Worried2Death

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I see Brian Scamaki is denying ever knowing one of his top henchmen who's been charged with raping minors in his "church".

Hands off our kids Brian, get away from that drag queen groomer.
 

Worried2Death

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as i’ve gotten older i’d say so economically, yeah.
certainly never socially though.
How do you compartmentalise the two when economic systems have social impacts, particularly on the most vulnerable, the stupid, the least capable of succeeding etc. Spose it all comes down to judging others and whatever you're comfortable with justifying, I'm no different if I'm honest, if you're incapable of gaining skills that are useful to the prevailing economic system you're pretty much fucked.
 
if you're incapable of gaining skills that are useful to the prevailing economic system you're pretty much fucked.
Every system has winners and losers, as has been said, there’s no perfect system. But what we have makes the greatest amount of people better off and allows most people to live a good life through hard work, effort and risk/ reward.

Hard work is all you need as much as skills. Lots of millionaires are teachers apparently. Graham Hart started out as a panel beater.

You can’t criticise our current system without proposing a better one though or else it’s just whinging. Yes, our system makes some extremely wealthy but it also provides a huge safety net. Any system that stops the extreme at the top always negatively impacts those at the bottom. Prove me wrong!

I’m yet to have a lefty provide me with their preferred economic country example.

I’m very socially left. But you need a sound capitalistic economic model to provide it. It’s like tough love as it relentlessly incentivises the productive areas - being cruel to be kind. Rather than being kind while undermining the fundamentals meaning we all lose out.

My perfect economic model would be similar to Norways, where we drive social infrastructure through using our natural resources. Smarter not harder with the rewards shared by all.
 
Yesterday’s GDP data suggests the economy grew 0.2% in the March quarter.

But that was only thanks to the net 28,330 new immigrants who arrived over those three months to make up for the net 14,980 citizens who left.

Per capita, we’re now at least 18 months into a recession. Unless everyone has produced and earned more in the current quarter than in the previous three months, we’re 21 months into that recession.

The average New Zealander is nearly $300 a month down compared with September 2022, using March 2024 dollars. That’s $1200 a month less for a household of two parents and two kids. Collectively, we’ve all taken a 4.3% pay cut over 18 months, with more on the way.

There’s never been anything this bad as far back as Statistics NZ reports.

The recession after the Global Financial Crisis was close. In the 21 months from September 2007, we went back 4.2% on average. Our current malaise has happened faster and is worse.


Very bad times, yet it’s predicted to be at least another year before the reserve bank eases up….
 

Worried2Death

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Every system has winners and losers, as has been said, there’s no perfect system. But what we have makes the greatest amount of people better off and allows most people to live a good life through hard work, effort and risk/ reward.

Hard work is all you need as much as skills. Lots of millionaires are teachers apparently. Graham Hart started out as a panel beater.

You can’t criticise our current system without proposing a better one though or else it’s just whinging. Yes, our system makes some extremely wealthy but it also provides a huge safety net. Any system that stops the extreme at the top always negatively impacts those at the bottom. Prove me wrong!

I’m yet to have a lefty provide me with their preferred economic country example.

I’m very socially left. But you need a sound capitalistic economic model to provide it. It’s like tough love as it relentlessly incentivises the productive areas - being cruel to be kind. Rather than being kind while undermining the fundamentals meaning we all lose out.

My perfect economic model would be similar to Norways, where we drive social infrastructure through using our natural resources. Smarter not harder with the rewards shared by all.
Yeah but the tiny 0.01% are accumulating ever more of the global wealth, leaving diminishing crumbs for the so called middle class. Fix that somehow and we'd have a better system.
 
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