Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[MrFrankWhite]

Do you think all these climate science PhD guys are complicit in some political conspiracy to bullshit everyone? What are they supposed to be building?

Ego money and ignorance will do amazing things.

What’s wrong with these climate models?

Climate models accurately predicted ocean warming, but observed sea surface temperatures show the reality is more complicated.

thebulletin.org

 

[MrFrankWhite]

BOM Makes Heavy Weather Over Temperature Data

My request three years ago to obtain temperature data from the Bureau of Meteorology should have been a straightforward process, but what I encountered was a determination to obstruct and obfuscate.

ipa.org.au

 

[Worried2Death]

Ego money and ignorance will do amazing things.

What’s wrong with these climate models?

Climate models accurately predicted ocean warming, but observed sea surface temperatures show the reality is more complicated.

thebulletin.org

Aren't most scientists aware of these factors though, they work with latest available data to determine modelling and reach relative concensus. Far's I can tell it's partisan media and political spin that distorts the scientist's work, not vice versa.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

And so it begins. Some big egos forming this government

Bigger egos in the media.

Did he breach the act by give a direction to TVNZ? I don’t think he did but the biased article judges him guilty by ‘Asked if he had apologised to the Prime Minister for breaching the ACT".

Reporters like Jenna Lynch can go sobbing back to her Labour mates when she gets fired because the media bias has resulted in their current situation.

 

[Worried2Death]

Bigger egos in the media.

Did he breach the act by give a direction to TVNZ? I don’t think he did but the biased article judges him guilty by ‘Asked if he had apologised to the Prime Minister for breaching the ACT".

Reporters like Jenna Lynch can go sobbing back to her Labour mates when she gets fired because the media bias has resulted in their current situation.

Are you not worried at all about first them coming for the journalists? We know how this usually ends.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Are you not worried at all about first them coming for the journalists? We know how this usually ends.

Best journalist/media in Australia is 6 news. Owned and run by 14yo now 15yr old kid.

Maybe it’s time for a cull

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Aren't most scientists aware of these factors though, they work with latest available data to determine modelling and reach relative concensus. Far's I can tell it's partisan media and political spin that distorts the scientist's work, not vice versa.

That’s crux of the issue. That 2nd link showed the problems with transparency over raw climate data. Think of it as open source software. Only open source can be validated and verified.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Are you not worried at all about first them coming for the journalists? We know how this usually ends.

Will the journalists be a loss when the majority of the population doesn’t even trust them? When 69% of people avoid the news!

The media have done this to themselves!

Trust in the news slips further - AUT News - AUT

The latest Trust in News report shows New Zealanders' trust in news has slipped further, while news avoidance increased compared to other countries.

www.aut.ac.nz

 

[Bay39er]

Will the journalists be a loss when the majority of the population doesn’t even trust them?

The media have done this to themselves!

Trust in the news slips further - AUT News - AUT

The latest Trust in News report shows New Zealanders' trust in news has slipped further, while news avoidance increased compared to other countries.

www.aut.ac.nz

If they are so untrustworthy please stop posting links

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

If they are so untrustworthy please stop posting links

That link was from AUT

 

[Bay39er]

That link was from AUT

I know but that wasn’t what I was referring to

 

[Worried2Death]

Best journalist/media in Australia is 6 news. Owned and run by 14yo now 15yr old kid.

Maybe it’s time for a cull

Maybe

Will the journalists be a loss when over half the population doesn’t even trust them?

The media have done this to themselves!

Trust in the news slips further - AUT News - AUT

The latest Trust in News report shows New Zealanders' trust in news has slipped further, while news avoidance increased compared to other countries.

www.aut.ac.nz

In the context of that Martin Niemöller piece you always quote about the rise of fascism it was the scapegoats labelled socialists, commies and Woke that ended up culled in pits, and you know where we'll end up if you have Jewish ancestry as you claim moishe. I'm uncomfortable with some of the familiar rhetoric I'm hearing.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Maybe
In the context of that Martin Niemöller piece you always quote about the rise of fascism it was the scapegoats labelled socialists, commies and Woke that ended up culled in pits, and you know where we'll end up if you have Jewish ancestry as you claim moishe. I'm uncomfortable with some of the familiar rhetoric I'm hearing.

Moral of the story is don’t be socialist, commie or woke?

Media in bed with the govt like Labour had it is just as bad for democracy as Niemöller.

I hope there is a lot of self reflection in the media and shifting away from opinion and cheerleading and back to more facts and apolitical reporting.

 

[Worried2Death]

Moral of the story is don’t be socialist, commie or woke?

Media in bed with the govt like Labour had it is just as bad for democracy as Niemöller.

I hope there is a lot of self reflection in the media and shifting away from opinion and cheerleading and back to more facts and apolitical reporting.

I don't watch NZ news, it's puerile. But regardless, moral of the story is the Nazi progandists labelled their enemies socialist, commie, woke etc whether they were any of those things or not, Goebbels wasn't interested in the truth. Be careful mate, "Media in bed with the govt like Labour" is Goebbels' playbook before the silencing.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I don't watch NZ news, it's puerile, but regardless, moral of the story is the Nazi progandists labelled their enemies socialist, commie, woke etc whetherthey were any of those things or not, Goebbels wanted interested in the truth.

Winston’s getting utu with the media for laughing at him when he was voted out in 2020 and then actively ignoring NZ First leading up to the last election. What goes around comes around…

BUT, I don’t see this as taking out the media like Jacinda tried to do (the platform was started by right wingers that were cancelled), the politicians need the media in a love/ hate symbiotic relationship.

The ironic thing is the platform is now thriving with a multi-millionaire backing them while the traditional media organisations that pushed them out went woke and broke. love it for the plot twist!

Ps - I don’t listen to the platform and consider it too extreme.

 

[Worried2Death]

Winston’s getting utu with the media for laughing at him when he was voted out in 2020 and then actively ignoring NZ First leading up to the last election. What goes around comes around…

BUT, I don’t see this as taking out the media like Jacinda tried to do (the platform was started by right wingers that were cancelled), the politicians need the media in a love/ hate symbiotic relationship.

The ironic thing is the platform is now thriving with a millionaire backing them while the media organisations that pushed them out went woke and broke. love it for the plot twist!

Ps - I don’t listen to the platform and consider it too extreme.

Winston getting utu against Jack Tame, what are we in primary school? We're fucked!

The Platform is thriving? I thought most people consider it a joke, the Wright family emplying a bunch of rejects who can't get jobs because of sexual assault allegations and cooked opinions.

 

[Noitall]

Bigger egos in the media.

Did he breach the act by give a direction to TVNZ? I don’t think he did but the biased article judges him guilty by ‘Asked if he had apologised to the Prime Minister for breaching the ACT".

Reporters like Jenna Lynch can go sobbing back to her Labour mates when she gets fired because the media bias has resulted in their current situation.

I was more looking at Seymour publicly questioning a ministers power to speak to him on her concerns with his response it’s not her job. Seems rather than mention that to her behind closed doors that he’d rather everyone knows he isn’t answerable to her

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I was more looking at Seymour publicly questioning a ministers power to speak to him on her concerns with his response it’s not her job. Seems rather than mention that to her behind closed doors that he’d rather everyone knows he isn’t answerable to her

Well he hasn’t broken the rules (confirmed by a university expert) so it’s not her job to tell him off, despite the media trying to stir trouble and create division with blatant lies.

The media just lied and manipulated people into unwarranted negative judgments in a democracy. I’m not ok with that. And it’s been happening constantly over the past few years.

Did you listen to the actual journalists comments about luxon thet Seymour referred to? Funny how the media aren’t quoting the biased rubbish that needed calling out and are instead attacking Seymour for being right!

THAT is the reason the media is losing followers because people are sick of manipulation and bias faked as news.

 

[Noitall]

Well he hasn’t broken the rules so it’s not her job to tell him off, despite the media trying to stir trouble and create division with blatant lies.

The media just lied and manipulated people into unwarranted negative judgments in a democracy. I’m not ok with that. And it’s been happening constantly over the past few years.

THAT is the reason the media is losing followers because people are sick of manipulation and bias faked as news.

She’s a minister and if she has concerns she’d like to raise with him she has no obligation to only do so if he’s broken rules. People have made their own judgement and haven’t needed the aid of media to show them what’s right in front of them

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

She’s a minister and if she has concerns she’d like to raise with him she has no obligation to only do so if he’s broken rules. People have made their own judgement and haven’t needed the aid of media to show them what’s right in front of them

Our judgements are all based off media reporting and how they edit and present things.

When they are caught straight out lying in an article, they have no credibility so you need to reflect on how much your world view has been manipulated.

Honestly, by all metrics the last govt was one of the worst in our history - the fact so many still supported and defended it shows the media didn’t do their job in holding them to account and in fact we’re enablers. That’s unforgivable.

Half the mess the country is in now is due to the media not doing their job and being complicit. They deserve to be shut down and cleared out if we want a better NZ. No sympathy here.

We want the voters chosen NZ, not the media’s.