Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[miket12]

To our Australian posters.... on a breakfast tv show yesterday, it was raised with the new Labour Finance Spokesperson about the possibility of Labour introducing a CGT here in NZ.

Because the left parties will tell us that it is to help control rents and house prices and to be a more progressive tax system targeting wealth while the right parties will call it a tax of envy, I was wondering if you could tell us the background to your CGT and the outcomes.

1. When was it introduced and by which party?
2. Is it a state or federal tax?
3. If it's a state tax, have the states with one achieved better outcomes in terms of rent control, house prices etc than those without one?
4. What were the promises/reasons given for the introduction?
5. Did it achieve those outcomes? i.e. if it was introduced to control housing, rents or wealth, equality, has it achieved that.

I think it would be interesting for us in NZ to know not the political spin we might hear if it was to become an election issue but if it has achieved the objectives for its introduction. Why? Because I, for one, would be happier to vote for it knowing that the outcomes could possibly be achieved.

Cheers!!!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Anyone have any issues about the petrol tax going up $0.22 over the next 6 years. In line with the Inflation rate at 2.2% pa increase in the retail price but you would think it’s the end of the world judging by the biased left media.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

'Just a money-making scheme': Anger as details of new transport scheme become clear

Transport Minister Simeon Brown denies there is a huge hole in the Government's transport funding.

www.newshub.co.nz

Some anger out there over what’s in the works

That proposal on first read looks horrific.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

To our Australian posters.... on a breakfast tv show yesterday, it was raised with the new Labour Finance Spokesperson about the possibility of Labour introducing a CPT here in NZ.

Because the left parties will tell us that it is to help control rents and house prices and to be a more progressive tax system targeting wealth while the right parties will call it a tax of envy, I was wondering if you could tell us the background to your CPT and the outcomes.

1. When was it introduced and by which party?
2. Is it a state or federal tax?
3. If it's a state tax, have the states with one achieved better outcomes in terms of rent control, house prices etc than those without one?
4. What were the promises/reasons given for the introduction?
5. Did it achieve those outcomes? i.e. if it was introduced to control housing, rents or wealth, equality, has it achieved that.

I think it would be interesting for us in NZ to know not the political spin we might hear if it was to become an election issue but if it has achieved the objectives for its introduction. Why? Because I, for one, would be happier to vote for it knowing that the outcomes could possibly be achieved.

Cheers!!!

What the fuck is CPT? Is it called the same here?

 

[miket12]

What the fuck is CPT? Is it called the same here?

Sorry... was typing on a tablet and it did predictive spelling.... should be CGT.... capital gains tax.

Note to self.... read through posts properly before pushing the "Post reply" button.

 

[Noitall]

That proposal on first read looks horrific.

It does on second too

 

[Noitall]

'Very, very scared': Petition calling for expulsion of Muslims from NZ slammed

"We're not living in an environment where you can feel safe."

www.newshub.co.nz

Wow

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Hope the government comes through with their promise and a real shame it wasn’t apart of their 100 day plan as it could have really benefited some

 

[MrFrankWhite]

'Very, very scared': Petition calling for expulsion of Muslims from NZ slammed

"We're not living in an environment where you can feel safe."

www.newshub.co.nz

Wow

Wow is right.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

To our Australian posters.... on a breakfast tv show yesterday, it was raised with the new Labour Finance Spokesperson about the possibility of Labour introducing a CGT here in NZ.

Because the left parties will tell us that it is to help control rents and house prices and to be a more progressive tax system targeting wealth while the right parties will call it a tax of envy, I was wondering if you could tell us the background to your CGT and the outcomes.

1. When was it introduced and by which party?
2. Is it a state or federal tax?
3. If it's a state tax, have the states with one achieved better outcomes in terms of rent control, house prices etc than those without one?
4. What were the promises/reasons given for the introduction?
5. Did it achieve those outcomes? i.e. if it was introduced to control housing, rents or wealth, equality, has it achieved that.

I think it would be interesting for us in NZ to know not the political spin we might hear if it was to become an election issue but if it has achieved the objectives for its introduction. Why? Because I, for one, would be happier to vote for it knowing that the outcomes could possibly be achieved.

Cheers!!!

TBH it’s just part of the landscape. Part of Keatings reforms in 1985(?). I think you’d have to research it to k ow if it was good or bad. I’m guessing there’s plenty of debate either way.

 

[John Nick]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Hope the government comes through with their promise and a real shame it wasn’t apart of their 100 day plan as it could have really benefited some

No surprises here

 

[miket12]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Hope the government comes through with their promise and a real shame it wasn’t apart of their 100 day plan as it could have really benefited some

When Shayleen had her check up with her breast doctor last month, she said some of these drugs are funded by the likes of Southern Cross. Because the medical insurance usually limits the amount that can be spent on chemo, when it gets higher than that amount, hospitals then have to take over the treatments at no cost to the patients. It's a pity that some will already get these drugs funded while others either have to pay for it.... or take the risk of waiting.

 

[miket12]

'Very, very scared': Petition calling for expulsion of Muslims from NZ slammed

"We're not living in an environment where you can feel safe."

www.newshub.co.nz

Wow

Personally, I'd rather have those who signed the petition removed from NZ..... hateful bustards !!!!

 

[Tragic]

Anyone have any issues about the petrol tax going up $0.22 over the next 6 years. In line with the Inflation rate at 2.2% pa increase in the retail price but you would think it’s the end of the world judging by the biased left media.

Why not make it a percentage so it goes up when petrol increases with inflation, a set amount just means you have to increase it again in a few years to keep up. I am not against it on its own but you forgot about the other charges they are introducing at the same time.

But the thing is they campaigned on doing more with the income are getting already because they can manage the finances better, but as soon as they are in they start squealing about fiscal holes and put taxes up. All the same - useless liars.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Hope the government comes through with their promise and a real shame it wasn’t apart of their 100 day plan as it could have really benefited some

Hopefully at the next budget

 

[John Nick]

Hopefully at the next budget

They campaigned on it. Any reason why not now

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Why not make it a percentage so it goes up when petrol increases with inflation, a set amount just means you have to increase it again in a few years to keep up. I am not against it on its own but you forgot about the other charges they are introducing at the same time.

But the thing is they campaigned on doing more with the income are getting already because they can manage the finances better, but as soon as they are in they start squealing about fiscal holes and put taxes up. All the same - useless liars.

These comments are non-political.

NZ is slowly slipping in what we offer. More people on the roads, using hospitals, in schools that we can’t afford to fund so they slip backwards. Rundown infrastructure and an inability to maintain what we have as well as investing in new. Underinvestment has been going on for 20+ years in schools, hospitals and infrastructure.
We’re in a world with dwindling resources and climate change issues which means costs will only skyrocket - and many are already struggling to keep up.

The solution seems to be reallocation from the well off to top up the people that can’t keep up… and forcing wages to Lee up with inflation despite productivity not warranting it. That pool of struggling voters is going to keep growing over time and the reallocation will collapse when the struggling outnumber the tax payers. It’s simple maths. The productive face increasing complexity to do business and reduced profitability with greater tax take to supporting everyone. They will simply leave in increasing numbers leading to a downward spiral of meet everyone’s needs.

So we face a downward spiral of lower services, deteriorating infrastructure and increasing hardship with less ability to meet the needs. A slow slip from a first world economy/ country.

The only way out I can see is to grow the economy faster than our costs go up. But I don’t see it happening. There is not the voter will. We’re like a retirement economy where we prioritise quality of life over growth. Ironically, like retired people, we wont be able to afford that quality and settle for old unreplaced furniture that’s falling apart. Neither main party offers the solution because the voters don’t want it and politics will get increasingly negative and the country increasingly split as we fight to divide the pie and support everyone.

Personally I’m encouraging my kids to get out to more go ahead countries and will probably end up leaving myself some time in the future. Preferably before Labour next gets in and comes up with daft wealth taxes/ CGT that will only make things worse and speed up our decline. Why support a country that doesn’t want to fight to thrive and help itself but chooses a laid back economy and tax its way into oblivion.

I don’t think most NZers realise just how far behind we’re getting and how it’s going to get much worse. And how transferring wealth can never make up for actually being productive.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

They campaigned on it. Any reason why not now

Labour campaigned on pay parity for ECE teachers in 2017 and it still hadn’t happened last year… it became a goal they were working towards

Really it should happen sometime in the first term to meet an election promise

 

[John Nick]

Labour campaigned on pay parity for ECE teachers in 2017 and it still hadn’t happened last year… it became a goal they were working towards

Really it should happen sometime in the first term to meet an election promise

Don't bang on about the past.
We keep hearing about how the people voted for change and we are fixated on the delivery

 

[Worried2Death]

These comments are non-political.

NZ is slowly slipping in what we offer. More people on the roads, using hospitals, in schools that we can’t afford to fund so they slip backwards. Rundown infrastructure and an inability to maintain what we have as well as investing in new. Underinvestment has been going on for 20+ years in schools, hospitals and infrastructure.
We’re in a world with dwindling resources and climate change issues which means costs will only skyrocket - and many are already struggling to keep up.

The solution seems to be reallocation from the well off to top up the people that can’t keep up… and forcing wages to Lee up with inflation despite productivity not warranting it. That pool of struggling voters is going to keep growing over time and the reallocation will collapse when the struggling outnumber the tax payers. It’s simple maths. The productive face increasing complexity to do business and reduced profitability with greater tax take to supporting everyone. They will simply leave in increasing numbers leading to a downward spiral of meet everyone’s needs.

So we face a downward spiral of lower services, deteriorating infrastructure and increasing hardship with less ability to meet the needs. A slow slip from a first world economy/ country.

The only way out I can see is to grow the economy faster than our costs go up. But I don’t see it happening. There is not the voter will. We’re like a retirement economy where we prioritise quality of life over growth. Ironically, like retired people, we wont be able to afford that quality and settle for old unreplaced furniture that’s falling apart. Neither main party offers the solution because the voters don’t want it and politics will get increasingly negative and the country increasingly split as we fight to divide the pie and support everyone.

Personally I’m encouraging my kids to get out to more go ahead countries and will probably end up leaving myself some time in the future. Preferably before Labour next gets in and comes up with daft wealth taxes/ CGT that will only make things worse and speed up our decline. Why support a country that doesn’t want to fight to thrive and help itself but chooses a laid back economy and tax its way into oblivion.

I don’t think most NZers realise just how far behind we’re getting and how it’s going to get much worse. And how transferring wealth can never make up for actually being productive.

What countries apart form Australia are on your radar for you and the kids future?