Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

What countries apart form Australia are on your radar for you and the kids future?

Australia sounds corker mate. Sun, BBQ’s, league - I will have to just put up with the local Aussies.

Eldest is considering the UK. Middle wants some Spanish speaking country.

I’ve always considered myself a global citizen and outward looking as much as just a kiwi.

 

[John Nick]

Australia sounds corker mate. Sun, BBQ’s, league - I will have to just put up with the local Aussies.

Eldest is considering the UK. Middle wants some Spanish speaking country.

I’ve always considered myself a global citizen and outward looking as much as just a kiwi.

When are you going??

 

[Worried2Death]

Australia sounds corker mate.

Eldest is considering the UK. Middle wants some Spanish speaking country.

I’ve always considered myself a global citizen and outward looking as much as just a kiwi.

Yep there's opportunity out there for sure, grass isn't always greener though, specially in London. Wouldn’t call Spain an economic powerhouse, they have their cost-of-living crisis like most places, other Spanish-speaking countries in South America have a lot worse crime probs than nz, but hard to know what's in our kid's future re. employment, AI might take half today's jobs in 20 years. I'm not so sure it's as dire here as you're thinking, but you could be right.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

When are you going??

Still got a dog, kids and parents keeping me here but as they slowly leave (in more ways than 1) the tie to NZ will dwindle.

I just find myself increasingly frustrated as we slowly accept mediocracy, keep going backwards and everyone wants more of the same problem rather than the solution.

 

[John Nick]

Still got a dog, kids and parents keeping me here but as they slowly leave (in more ways than 1) the tie to NZ will dwindle.

I just find myself increasingly frustrated as we slowly accept mediocracy, keep going backwards and everyone wants more of the same problem rather than the solution.

I moved to Oz in my 30s and stayed for 23 years. Enjoyed very much as most of the early part I was single and partied like no tomorrow.
Returned when parents were struggling health wise and now they are gone often think about going back.
Visit often and every time I find the joint is going backwards.
GC now has 2 tent cities for the homeless.
Just one example.
Enjoy visiting mates and the sports etc.
Happy here now but each to their own.

PS All my friends over there complain about exactly the same things as us.
Cost of living health education transport roads houses blah blah blah
The biggest complaint is fuckin politicians.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

What countries apart form Australia are on your radar for you and the kids future?

Tuvalu mate. When it eventually succumbs to the tide (not in my lifetime) there will be some serious compensation from someone who didn't cull enough cows or didn't buy enough Teslas

Speaking of which, isn't it funny how once the subsidies are removed, all those green leaning people can't actually afford the RRP. Sales of EVs have gone down the toilet.

#Chevysilverado

 

[Bay39er]

These comments are non-political.

NZ is slowly slipping in what we offer. More people on the roads, using hospitals, in schools that we can’t afford to fund so they slip backwards. Rundown infrastructure and an inability to maintain what we have as well as investing in new. Underinvestment has been going on for 20+ years in schools, hospitals and infrastructure.
We’re in a world with dwindling resources and climate change issues which means costs will only skyrocket - and many are already struggling to keep up.

The solution seems to be reallocation from the well off to top up the people that can’t keep up… and forcing wages to Lee up with inflation despite productivity not warranting it. That pool of struggling voters is going to keep growing over time and the reallocation will collapse when the struggling outnumber the tax payers. It’s simple maths. The productive face increasing complexity to do business and reduced profitability with greater tax take to supporting everyone. They will simply leave in increasing numbers leading to a downward spiral of meet everyone’s needs.

So we face a downward spiral of lower services, deteriorating infrastructure and increasing hardship with less ability to meet the needs. A slow slip from a first world economy/ country.

The only way out I can see is to grow the economy faster than our costs go up. But I don’t see it happening. There is not the voter will. We’re like a retirement economy where we prioritise quality of life over growth. Ironically, like retired people, we wont be able to afford that quality and settle for old unreplaced furniture that’s falling apart. Neither main party offers the solution because the voters don’t want it and politics will get increasingly negative and the country increasingly split as we fight to divide the pie and support everyone.

Personally I’m encouraging my kids to get out to more go ahead countries and will probably end up leaving myself some time in the future. Preferably before Labour next gets in and comes up with daft wealth taxes/ CGT that will only make things worse and speed up our decline. Why support a country that doesn’t want to fight to thrive and help itself but chooses a laid back economy and tax its way into oblivion.

I don’t think most NZers realise just how far behind we’re getting and how it’s going to get much worse. And how transferring wealth can never make up for actually being productive.

Non political until he got to the 2nd to last paragraph and then his DNA kicked back in.

Was a good read until then.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Non political until he got to the 2nd to last paragraph and then his DNA kicked back in.

Was a good read until then.

To be fair I said ‘neither main party offers the solution’ so I will say it’s more anti all NZ politics

 

[Bay39er]

To be fair I said ‘neither main party offers the solution’ so I will say it’s more anti all NZ politics

As slippery as the politicians!

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Thank goodness the derelict premier house didn’t fall down on the guests for Christmas

 

[miket12]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Thank goodness the derelict premier house didn’t fall down on the guests for Christmas

By the sound of it, the former PM’s residence, Vogel House, was in much better condition but was sold back to the Vogel Family in 2020. Vogel House wasn’t up to Muldoon’s liking so he kicked out the dental students out of Premier House and had it returned to the PM’s official residence.

Apparently, it’s not the reception areas that are the problem with Premier House (John Key had them redecorated) but it’s the PM’s apartment and the earthquake resistance to the whole dwelling that’s the issue.

Although Luxon may not live there full time, it’s still used for official receptions…. and the occasional Christmas get together.

 

[defensivebomb]

Although Luxon may not live there full time, it’s still used for official receptions…. and the occasional Christmas get together.

I'd rather have the $30m!

Surely the morons down in Wellington can come up with an agreeable solution for the PM's residence

Although, given the way that Wellington Council started with a $30m budget for their town hall and are now spending $300m, I have no faith that anyone down that way has any care or regard for spending other people's money

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Tuvalu mate. When it eventually succumbs to the tide (not in my lifetime) there will be some serious compensation from someone who didn't cull enough cows or didn't buy enough Teslas

Speaking of which, isn't it funny how once the subsidies are removed, all those green leaning people can't actually afford the RRP. Sales of EVs have gone down the toilet.

#Chevysilverado

'Sinking' Pacific nation is getting bigger: study

The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

phys.org

 

[Worried2Death]

'Sinking' Pacific nation is getting bigger: study

The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

phys.org

Rick O’Shay what about our whole Tuvalu scam now?

 

[hourman12]

'Sinking' Pacific nation is getting bigger: study

The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

phys.org

Noticed you mentioned a 2018 article. I googled Tuvalu land size and cross referenced articles after 2018/19 and I was surprised to find there were some other articles from that timeframe that corroborated at least some parts of it. Some mention islands can shrink or grow depending on many variables. Even the article that had that information said there was nothing positive for these islands from climate change. Just thought some boring facts and nuance would brighten your day.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Noticed you mentioned a 2018 article. I googled Tuvalu land size and cross referenced articles after 2018/19 and I was surprised to find there were some other articles from that timeframe that corroborated at least some parts of it. Some mention islands can shrink or grow depending on many variables. Even the article that had that information said there was nothing positive for these islands from climate change. Just thought some boring facts and nuance would brighten your day.

I think it’s all very complex, and a whole bunch of people whose ordinarily aren’t very relevant, suddenly decided they were in fact smart enough to figure it out if they just massage the numbers in a dataset.

That type of type has infected a whole realm of things. Look at the COVID vaccine. Regardless of anything looks like risk factors were off by 10x .

Climate “science” is just that. I quote science because they don’t do any science. They simply crunch numbers according to models given to them.

 

[hourman12]

I think it’s all very complex, and a whole bunch of people whose ordinarily aren’t very relevant, suddenly decided they were in fact smart enough to figure it out if they just massage the numbers in a dataset.

That type of type has infected a whole realm of things. Look at the COVID vaccine. Regardless of anything looks like risk factors were off by 10x .

Climate “science” is just that. I quote science because they don’t do any science. They simply crunch numbers according to models given to them.

When you mention 'they' is that a specific quantifiable that can be researched or just a gut feeling?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

When you mention 'they' is that a specific quantifiable that can be researched or just a gut feeling?

the ones I’ve run into are almost exclusively all Caucasian, mediocre ,male and all share a direct university to research life experience . They’ll waive a million studies and predictions all from other mediocre academics and not a single one of them has every built anything ever.

That’s not to disparage real scientists doing real work.

But from crime, to health, to COVID , to the climate; a lot of what we are seeing in terms of “government research” is bullshit.

 

[Noitall]

Broadcasting Min says she will talk to Seymour over TVNZ reporter comments, ACT leader says it's 'not really her job'

He is unapologetic.

www.newshub.co.nz

And so it begins. Some big egos forming this government

 

[Worried2Death]

the ones I’ve run into are almost exclusively all Caucasian, mediocre ,male and all share a direct university to research life experience . They’ll waive a million studies and predictions all from other mediocre academics and not a single one of them has every built anything ever.

That’s not to disparage real scientists doing real work.

But from crime, to health, to COVID , to the climate; a lot of what we are seeing in terms of “government research” is bullshit.

Do you think all these climate science PhD guys are complicit in some political conspiracy to bullshit everyone? What are they supposed to be building?