Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[juju]

A windfall tax is bad policy - will the government pay a windfall bonus every time there is a recession or a business gets into trouble?

I’m sure you would be the first attacking any corporate welfare?

If it doesn’t work both ways it shows it’s not good policy.

What did the government do during covid exactly?

 

[miket12]

It's definitely not me that has a lack of perspective.

It's the guy that feels the need to argue the NRL refs are fair & supermarkets / banks and power companies should smash Kiwis to make as much profit as possible.

The big four power companies make $520 million net profit a year.
The banks make $7b net profit a year
The same government report said supermarkets make $1m per day in excess profit.

Yet you'll die on the hill a foreign buyers tax / where the numbers don't stack up is the way to go.

What a pathetic joke.

While a totally agree with you the companies who make revenue in NZ should pay tax here, which party has a policy to change the current rules? I think the Greens might and possibly the Maori Party.

 

[Bruce]

One of the issues NZ has is we develop the worlds best kiwi fruit vines….. and then export them to other countries with cheaper labour who then sell to the same markets we do but at a cheaper price.

Then some breeders decide to sell our livestock and cattle genetic material developed over decades through selective breeding to the Chinese who then have access to their own dairy products but don’t need to import ours.

Greed from certain people means we never learn!

They came from China.

All our guys did was breed better varieties. The Chinese were coming out here and stealing them anyway.

All you have to do is got to Te Puke in winter and pick some prunings off the ground. No problem. Chinese are smart.

However there is a bit more to it than that.

There is post harvest management, that the Chileans in particular took a long time to master, but they did.

They did with avocados too.

Santiago is a similar latitude to Auckland, no worries, and just a quick boat trip up the west coast of Merka.

 

[Bruce]

What did the government do during covid exactly?

Lots of PR spin and throwing borrowed money to those who didn't need it.

 

[Bruce]

NZ will never compete with Australia wages so nz has to bond teachers

Why? The teachers have to pay their own way through university.

 

[juju]

Lots of PR spin and throwing borrowed money to those who didn't need it.

That... but they did wage subsidy every company including the hugely profitable ones...

 

[John Nick]

That... but they did wage subsidy every company including the hugely profitable ones...

And assisted lots of companies that would have closed down without the help

 

[Bruce]

That... but they did wage subsidy every company including the hugely profitable ones...

The wage subsidy helped me a little, how come some outfits made zilions?

 

[juju]

The wage subsidy helped me a little, how come some outfits made zilions?

And how many times has the NZ government bailed out businesses?

Plenty of countries have windfall taxes around the world and more are getting them.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

That... but they did wage subsidy every company including the hugely profitable ones...

Note the WAGE part of it. It was the dole for employees paid through businesses and done badly.

It didn’t cover the full wages and didn’t cover any expenses. It didn’t help businesses at all. If there was never those payments, businesses would have paid out sick/ annual leave and then required employees to take unpaid leave. It prevented those businesses from laying off employees.

 

[John Nick]

Note the WAGE part of it. It was the dole for employees paid through businesses and done badly.

It didn’t cover the full wages and didn’t cover any expenses. It didn’t help businesses at all. If there was never those payments, businesses would have paid out sick/ annual leave and then required employees to take unpaid leave. It prevented those businesses from laying off employees.

Big statement. "Didn't help businesses at all "
I was one of those companies who was able to continue trading with the assistance and I am absolutely confident there's 100s others who are the same .Maybe you were not able to take advantage but it's not all about you.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Big statement. "Didn't help businesses at all "
I was one of those companies who was able to continue trading with the assistance and I am absolutely confident there's 100s others who are the same .Maybe you were not able to take advantage but it's not all about you.

Ok, it covered the basic wages of the owners as well which for small owner operators was huge.

But for bigger businesses with lots of staff and fixed expenses the owners wages was insignificant compared to the expenses.

Not against what was done as it kept people employed and the money flowing but the representation that it was a big bonus for businesses isn’t the reality for most as it was a subsidy towards staff wages.

 

[John Nick]

Ok, it covered the wages of the owners as well which for small owner operators was huge.

But for bigger businesses with lots of staff and fixed expenses the owners wages was nothing compared to the expenses.

Thank you.
I am a sole owner business.
We are not all multi nationals like some.
Still we are able to provide employment to plenty of other businesses

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Shaping up to be a messy election.

 

[juju]

My Daughers handiwork after the game.

 

[Worried2Death]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Shaping up to be a messy election.

That guy's like a recurring Billy T James sketch, the one where he leans over the fence talking to Luxon was classic Kiwiana.

 

[Lord Gnome of Waiheke]

It’s going to be a national act govt in a landslide, and thank god for that. Double vote act & can confirm 90% of my friend group are in the same camp (aged 31, working professional).

Sounds like you hang around with a right bunch of cunts

 

[juju]

Ryan Hamilton: National's anti-fluoride, anti-mandate MP-in-waiting

A National Party candidate favoured to win election questioned Covid death statistics and said "lower socio economics fill their tap water with raro".

www.rnz.co.nz

High quality MPs in waiting with National and Act.

 

[Noitall]

Ryan Hamilton: National's anti-fluoride, anti-mandate MP-in-waiting

A National Party candidate favoured to win election questioned Covid death statistics and said "lower socio economics fill their tap water with raro".

www.rnz.co.nz

High quality MPs in waiting with National and Act.

Can’t believe nothing has been said about some of the strange tweets the likes of Hatere Hipango and mark Mitchell made through covid and when meeting protesters outside parliament.

 

[Lord Gnome of Waiheke]

What did the government do during covid exactly?

Saved approximately 11,000 lives.