Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Mr. Brownstone]

Under your reckoning NZers voted for change (and I agree there was a bit of a swing) however the results of the poll strongly show NZers didn't vote for Seymour & Peters to be the govt.
National had to form an alliance with them to form a government (which is a symptom of mmp) but it once again indicates your blanket statement of New Zealanders voted for change isn't exactly as all-encompassing of voters as you try to make out.

You are grasping.

 

[Juno]

You are grasping.

No, just going by the numbers

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

New Government worsening New Zealand's economic challenges - insurance bigwig | Newshub

David Meys warns "there is a looming risk of rising unemployment".

www.newshub.co.nz

The solution to inflation is slowing the economy and rising unemployment.

Of course Nationals changing back the reserve bank to how the rest of the world has it and getting rid of Labours employment conditions that have just made inflation worse for longer in NZ (supported by stats against other countries).

The economy was even forecast to have significantly worse unemployment above 5% this year by the reserve bank while Labour was still in government.

This just shows the media are economic illiterates.

'There will be winners and losers': Three workplace trends for 2024

The age of demanding higher pay might be over.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[marv.]

fuck people can be horrible cunts.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

"Hard left" what is that & who is hard left? Pseudo yankee thinking much?
There's been a lot of discussion on here how NZers are largely in the middle...more correct.
And stop trying to appease yourself with 'NZers voted for change' as if ALL NZers voted for change.

Yes the majority of New Zealander’s fall somewhere between centre right & centre left. However the majority of New Zelander’s also aren’t screaming conspiracy with every announcement from the new Government.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yes the majority of New Zealander’s fall somewhere between centre right & centre left. However the majority of New Zelander’s also aren’t screaming conspiracy with every announcement from the new Government.

Outright disrespectful organising and backing protests a week after an election aimed at the new governments clearly foreshadowed policy.

 

[Damo]

Outright disrespectful organising and backing protests a week after an election aimed at the new governments clearly foreshadowed policy.

Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it's disrespectful. Luckily the right to protest is a given here in NZ.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The hard left majority contributing to this thread are a minority out there in the real world. Shouldn’t come as a surprise. New Zealanders voted for change and they are happy with what they see so far.

NZ voter knowledge in a nutshell. Thinking anyone here is remotely seriously left is the funniest thing ever.

You guys are all shades of the centre engaged in partisan politics.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

NZ voter knowledge in a nutshell. Thinking anyone here is remotely seriously left is the funniest thing ever.

You guys are all shades of the centre engaged in partisan politics.

The conspiracy crap on here is not centre.

 

[Noitall]

The solution to inflation is slowing the economy and rising unemployment.

Of course Nationals changing back the reserve bank to how the rest of the world has it and getting rid of Labours employment conditions that have just made inflation worse for longer in NZ (supported by stats against other countries).

The economy was even forecast to have significantly worse unemployment above 5% this year by the reserve bank while Labour was still in government.

This just shows the media are economic illiterates.

'There will be winners and losers': Three workplace trends for 2024

The age of demanding higher pay might be over.

www.nzherald.co.nz

National says those who can work, should work

www.national.org.nz

Sort of makes this pledge from national as contradictory to endorse unemployment as a saviour towards inflation but say anyone who can work, should. We also see a 90 day trial in the workplace gone, fair pay agreement-gone. What’s to stop these people from falling to the bottom of the scrap heap with no support to get their way out? The only illiterates aren’t thinking of the big picture.

 

[Juno]

Yes the majority of New Zealander’s fall somewhere between centre right & centre left. However the majority of New Zelander’s also aren’t screaming conspiracy with every announcement from the new Government.

Have only mentioned one conspiracy in any of my posts (15 min cities) and that was tongue in cheek.
Have read quite a few on here tho, albeit mostly implied not outright wacko. Well, mostly not...

 

[Noitall]

Have only mentioned one conspiracy in any of my posts (15 min cities) and that was tongue in cheek.
Have read quite a few on here tho, albeit mostly implied not outright wacko. Well, mostly not...

Yet the previous government brought the media off. Funny how some things are plausible in some people’s eyes but other things not based on political leanings.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Have only mentioned one conspiracy in any of my posts (15 min cities) and that was tongue in cheek.
Have read quite a few on here tho, albeit mostly implied not outright wacko. Well, mostly not...

Yeah look I shouldn’t have linked the words majority & hard left. Perhaps majority of posts and hard left is a bit more accurate

 

[dean]

Under your reckoning NZers voted for change (and I agree there was a bit of a swing) however the results of the poll strongly show NZers didn't vote for Seymour & Peters to be the govt.
National had to form an alliance with them to form a government (which is a symptom of mmp) but it once again indicates your blanket statement of New Zealanders voted for change isn't exactly as all-encompassing of voters as you try to make out.
And again on the hard left rhetoric...if hard left is wanting your grandchildren to have as good a quality of education as the 'rich', opportunity to pursue their passions and live a prosperous fulfilling life (which isn't all about money), be safe in their neighburhoods, eat real food that isn't poisonous, live in a unique, unspoilt beautiful country where they can drink the water, swim in the rivers and at beaches, buy their own home (however humble) or at least be able to afford to rent one, be able to travel the country and the world if they choose, te mea, te mea.
Is that hard left?
I guess that's me then

It's only hard left if you expect somebody else to pay for it.

 

[miket12]

National says those who can work, should work

www.national.org.nz

Sort of makes this pledge from national as contradictory to endorse unemployment as a saviour towards inflation but say anyone who can work, should. We also see a 90 day trial in the workplace gone, fair pay agreement-gone. What’s to stop these people from falling to the bottom of the scrap heap with no support to get their way out? The only illiterates aren’t thinking of the big picture.

How many collective bargaining agreements were actually set up under the fair pay agreement scheme? It was only a few, wasn't it?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yet the previous government brought the media off. Funny how some things are plausible in some people’s eyes but other things not based on political leanings.

I’ve pushed that a bit. I don’t believe the media were bought off but because it ‘could have’ influenced media decisions it was stupid.

1 - The optics and perception were diabolical. Govt should steer well clear of conditional additional money to the media.
2 - Even if not directly influencing media it’s going to subconsciously favour the ‘team that has their back’
3 - To have your favoured policies as a condition of receiving the funding is wrong and disadvantaged other political parties, even if no conspiracy. Wrong!
4 - the reality is a bunch of extra journalist have jobs now because of Labour - optics and subconscious influence again.

The govt deserves any flack it got for being so stupid even if it was done with honest intentions. It needs the criticism to stop it happening again in future. I think they and the media got the message!

 

[Noitall]

How many collective bargaining agreements were actually set up under the fair pay agreement scheme? It was only a few, wasn't it?

What were negatives with the scheme?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

What were negatives with the scheme?

A business in Gore having to pay the same as a business in Auckland despite completely different market conditions.

Either the gore business pays over local market or Auckland pays under local market rates.

With teachers, where pay is nationalised, we have seen teachers flee Auckland because two areas aren’t equal

 

[dean]

NZ voter knowledge in a nutshell. Thinking anyone here is remotely seriously left is the funniest thing ever.

You guys are all shades of the centre engaged in partisan politics.

Back in the early 80's I worked with a number of English trade unionists, guys in their 50's and 60's and sometimes older. They were hard left and hard working. They believed in the class struggle, it was the core of their political position. All employers were villains and management usually the same. It was treason to abandon the struggle.
It was not a position held by young people, it was doomed to die out and it largely has.
It has evolved into a centrist system we have now, some to the left, some to the right but basically everyone wanting the same thing but not agreeing entirely on how we get there.
Does the NZ Communist Party exist, or the SUP? If they do their meetings could be held in a two man tent. The SUP used to be very active in the trade union movement here.

 

[Noitall]

I’ve pushed that a bit. I don’t believe the media were bought off but because it ‘could have’ influenced media decisions it was stupid.

1 - The optics and perception were diabolical. Govt should steer well clear of conditional additional money to the media.
2 - Even if not directly influencing media it’s going to subconsciously favour the ‘team that has their back’
3 - To have your favoured policies as a condition of receiving the funding is wrong and disadvantaged other political parties, even if no conspiracy. Wrong!
4 - the reality is a bunch of extra journalist have jobs now because of Labour - optics and subconscious influence again.

The govt deserves any flack it got for being so stupid even if it was done with honest intentions. It needs the criticism to stop it happening again in future. I think they and the media got the message!

But it was plain to see with the likes of q and an and the hui for example that there was no bias in the governments favour because of the money allocated? Is this belief based on a Jessica then tova order of questions asked? If so, that’s a long bow to draw. How would you like for media to get their funding? Donations?