My invitation got lost in the mail and didn’t know the venue. Would have appreciated your information sooner.
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John Nick
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Guest or protestor??
Apologies, I think the conversation diverged onto a me in drag tangent, got sidetracked
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John Nick
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Any picsApologies, I think the conversation diverged onto a me in drag tangent, got sidetracked
Was 19 years ago but there would be some photos somewhere, pimps & prostitutes party, looked terrible!Any pics
Any pics
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That's the problem though right? What actually is centre? And is centre even good if centre prevents us from actually building a decent society?
Here's some examples I can think of re: policies, although I could change 20 to 30 years ago:
Seeing a capital gains tax as abhorrent and not willing to implement one when the rest of the world actually do
Using immigration as a suppressant for wage growth
Normalisation of housing as a market good taking the focus of the needs of the population and using it as a vehicle for wealth extraction - New Zealand has one of the most expensive, overvalued housing markets in the world
Not taxing landlords and real estate capital gains fairly
Deliberate running down of government agencies and apparatus - then ad nauseum claiming small government is good, big government bad
The movement to the right of all mainstream political debate and media
Open racism in our political debates and elections being challenged openly less and less
The acceptance of so called presidential style electoral campaigns that offer nothing regarding any of the actual policies that parties will implement - which in this government's case are so far detrimental to the public good
The continued rise of tall poppy syndrome in this country - witness those who stick up for minorities and disadvantaged get shot down time and time again, and in public. As I've said before, heaven help you if you're not white and male as well
It's too nice a day to keep going, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head
Not having a bipartisan approach to infrastructure with a long term outlook
There's a poisonous conservatism creeping in around the world, and it's hitting here as well. They're burning books in America right now, and debating whether to charge women with murder if they have a miscarriage.
We should all be worried, regardless of our political leanings, and we should do our utmost to protect the hard fought freedoms, not some perverted slogan of "free speech" from the hard right. Scratch the surface of the three parties in power and you'll see some pretty nasty conservatism tinged with religious beliefs.
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Sorry for hijacking Mr Brownstone's moment, please resume with pictures.
So you have made a bold statement about left and right but are now unsure what centre even is? Your definition of a decent society may not be the ideal or even achievable. Let alone what the majority want.
In your opinion. Immigration is necessary. Having a low skilled, low productivity economy is the biggest suppressant of wages at the moment.
All the rest of the world have a CGT? And is it working? Removing or limiting investment in housing has just been seen not to be a great answer. The government can't supply housing itself to provide for people.
What effect does our regulations and costs of building have on pricing of housing?
Or is a CGT the magic silver bullet.
Maybe. And if it is, it's both ways.
You started by questioning what even is centre and now you saying we are moving to the right with political debate and media.
Facts and evidence please, as you would say. All mainstream media has moved to the right? I seem to recall a recent media survey that completely refutes that. Unless you are saying they have moved right from where they were and are now more balanced.
Kind of agree with this. I would say we have moved more to personalty voting based on the leader of the main party's. Which is ok if they have the ability but when you end up, for example in 2017, with someone who had stardust and threw out made up policy on the fly during a political debate you end up with the results we have had. Maybe you are right about the media starting to move right (back closer to centre) they lapped up the last 6 years with very little questioning or scrutiny until it was too late.
Nonsense. The continued use of white and male after carrying on about racism previously is telling. Again, if you can't argue your case on a policy or issue and have to resort to that then I would question your case to start with.
Can you give me an example of where someone has been shot down after standing up for a legitimate minority issue? People have a different view of what a potential answer is to issues as well, so just because they disagree doesn't mean they are shooting down anyone. Certainly wouldn't consider it tall poppy syndrome. I think you and I may have a different definition of tall poppy syndrome.
Agreed, but also, with MMP there are other fringe parties that may have different views on what has been agreed by National and Labour. Ideology, from both sides can also make things incompatible.
There is an equally poisonous liberalism creeping in around the world and it's hitting here as well. Cancel culture, lack of individual responsibility, etc
Like I say, the majority of people are fairly central in their views, however you want to define that.
The good thing about this country, as I have already posted is that the general population vote for change when we go to far left or to far right. And I agree with them, to far left or right is not what is best for the country though the Greens and ACT would argue otherwise despite similar numbers voting for them and both being minority parties.
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Worried2Death
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When are we going to get a deep dive documentary on Atlas and their global astroturf networks, or are there any already? Is our own kiwi Peter Thiel in it, he's openly anti-democracy.
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George Monbiot has done excellent journalism and has a book in May -
View: https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1743581219181199723 https://www.theguardian.com/comment...sunak-javier-milei-donald-trump-atlas-network
Their influence is all over the criminalisation of protest - I'm sadly half expecting to see moves like that here.
Hearing Winston Peters threaten journalists should be a chilling warning, although that's maybe more to do with the antivax conspiracy crowd.
Atlas and Thiel's beliefs seem to align.
Thiel was granted citizenship despite not meeting the right criteria, backed by National it looks like - https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ter-thiel-was-granted-new-zealand-citizenship
PM backs Peter Thiel's citizenship
PM backs granting of citizenship to Trump-backing billionaire Peter Thiel as former Minister Wayne Mapp reveals he'd known about it for years.
He also spoke at Atlas's anniversary with a keynote speech in 2021
Worried2Death
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George Monbiot has done excellent journalism and has a book in May -
View: https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1743581219181199723 https://www.theguardian.com/comment...sunak-javier-milei-donald-trump-atlas-network
Their influence is all over the criminalisation of protest - I'm sadly half expecting to see moves like that here.
Hearing Winston Peters threaten journalists should be a chilling warning, although that's maybe more to do with the antivax conspiracy crowd.
Atlas and Thiel's beliefs seem to align.
Thiel was granted citizenship despite not meeting the right criteria, backed by National it looks like - https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ter-thiel-was-granted-new-zealand-citizenship
PM backs Peter Thiel's citizenship
PM backs granting of citizenship to Trump-backing billionaire Peter Thiel as former Minister Wayne Mapp reveals he'd known about it for years.www.nzherald.co.nz
He also spoke at Atlas's anniversary with a keynote speech in 2021
It's scary when conspiracies turn out to be true. My cooker neighbour is constantly rabbiting on about the WEF great reset and fuckn Klaus Schwab, I said look into Atlas network and he looked at me blankly and said do you want a tinfoil hat bro.
Yeah exactly - there is shit going on, it's just more around control, power and money
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And of course the main underpinning is the taking of neoliberalism to it's extreme, completely ignoring the damage of the last 40 years.
We can all see it's pretty grim, and there have been deliberate moves to break down relationships between groups (Putin, Trump, China, Iran etc) - they're all making moves now of some kind or other sadly.
You see this with the rise in authoritarianism, it's happening hand in hand. My mother survived ww 2 and she would be appalled but not unfamiliar with what's happening right now.
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I was following an X thread about Yuval Harari warning of the dangers of AI and transhumanism, the CT's were posting carefully edited clips of his Davos speeches making it look like he's actually advocating for it, unbelievable.
People were pointing out its actually Atlas Network pumping out all this WEF propaganda shit, Schwab is basically a glorified event organiser who wrote a pretty interesting book.
