Nah, it's all the right
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Textbook DemagogyNah, it's all the right
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All parties have their target voters to varying degrees. But itβs about the divisiveness of the far left and creating enemies with emotion eg Seymour. Personalising issues.
Left wing examples off my head:
- βIf you oppose this policy, you hate the poor / workers / MΔori/ LGBT, etcβ
- βneoliberalism/ privatisation/ capitalism is the root of all social problemsβ
- βCorporations/ the rich/ mysterious international organisation control everything and are greedy. We need wealth/ CGT/ inheritance taxes
- you are βa denier to climate changeβ if you prefer mitigation - βThe science is settledβ
You mean anyone who can pick apart your comments, which generally isn't too hard, is far left?
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No itβs the lack of critical thinking when trying to pick apart an argument
I said far left because there are lefties on here that have balance and can reason through an issue even if itβs an opposing view.
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Excellent examples but small compared with the available left examples.
Referring back to the graph. I think both sides are guilty of populism but the left clearly appeals to βmoral outrageβ much more than the right?
Moral outrage includes current issues: Trump, Palestine, treaty of Waitangi issues, climate change absolutism, defund the police/ prisons, coloniser framework, etc.
All weaponised with a victim mentality and rallying emotionally around an enemy
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For context, Iβm all for defunding speed cameras. Take em out!
But I wonβt be marching in the street over it as the left do over all these issue.
What is moral outrage? Please provide a definition.
You've chosen topics that indicate you are far right, which let's face it, is correct.
Both sides are guilty of it but it's fair to say that the left rely on it because it appeals to their base.
The right tend to use it more selectively e.g. Co-governance "apartheid" "one person, one vote under threat", which was never accurate.
COVID mandates and lockdowns. Ardern is portrayed as a common enemy, and rhetoric escalating well beyond criticism of policy.
These all rely on the same emotional mechanisms you are criticising on the left.
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Far left. They build their whole existence around it.
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Fascinating pieces from a Liam Dann article - record exports last year but itβs not flowing into the economy and jobs:
Total exports were valued at $80.7 billion in the year ended December 2025, according to figures released by Stats NZ January 29.
It was the first time weβve ever earned more than $80b.
The nominal value of New Zealandβs goods exports has more than doubled in the past 20 years.
Okay, thatβs more like a 33% rise if we inflation-adjust the figure.
But are we 33% richer in real terms than we were in 2006?
It doesnβt feel like it.
But clearly, given the miserable state of the economy over the past few years, we do have a problem.
We live beyond our means. Thatβs not just a problem of government deficits.
The total value of goods imports has consistently stayed ahead of the value of goods exports, despite the strong growth.
Weβre awash with imported stuff we probably donβt need and which certainly isnβt generating any long-term wealth.
There are other obvious structural issues. There is the issue of how much we save and where we invest.
We inflated our housing prices to record levels, generating record profits for banks, which we sold off offshore.
The farming sector became highly leveraged and weβre told that much of the first blush of agricultural commodity boom money has been used to pay down that debt.
Thatβs good news. But even when the debt is dealt with, itβs not clear how the export money is flowing through the economy.
Total exports were valued at $80.7 billion in the year ended December 2025, according to figures released by Stats NZ January 29.
It was the first time weβve ever earned more than $80b.
The nominal value of New Zealandβs goods exports has more than doubled in the past 20 years.
Okay, thatβs more like a 33% rise if we inflation-adjust the figure.
But are we 33% richer in real terms than we were in 2006?
It doesnβt feel like it.
But clearly, given the miserable state of the economy over the past few years, we do have a problem.
We live beyond our means. Thatβs not just a problem of government deficits.
The total value of goods imports has consistently stayed ahead of the value of goods exports, despite the strong growth.
Weβre awash with imported stuff we probably donβt need and which certainly isnβt generating any long-term wealth.
There are other obvious structural issues. There is the issue of how much we save and where we invest.
We inflated our housing prices to record levels, generating record profits for banks, which we sold off offshore.
The farming sector became highly leveraged and weβre told that much of the first blush of agricultural commodity boom money has been used to pay down that debt.
Thatβs good news. But even when the debt is dealt with, itβs not clear how the export money is flowing through the economy.
Well, you've provided no concrete examples, and haven't even managed to define what you mean by left.
What I'm hearing is that you have no desire to take responsibility for the outcomes of the ideology you support.
You've very generally said Trump, with no further break down.
Yet we are posting factual information of Trump's actions.
Trump's government is killing US citizens in the streets, but it's the left
Trump is an obvious racist, but it's the left
The Republicans are clearly in thrall to a Russian influence, but it's the left
Anthropogenic climate change keeps throwing out extreme weather events, but it's the left
There's record unemployment in New Zealand, the worst in 15 years, but it's the left
Food and utility prices are at extreme levels in New Zealand, but it's the left
Record numbers of businesses have gone bankrupt, but it's the left
Seymour was trained under Atlas, but it's the left
The Act party are corrupted by the gun lobby, but it's the left
etc etc
As I said, you're just continuing on standard tactics of denial and deflection.
You're an apologist for the far right Wiz.
You have no interest in personal responsibility, or collective responsibility.
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Well every other posters on this page understandsβ¦
Itβs completely gone over your head Iβm not talking about the outcomes eg unemployment, food prices, etc. Iβm talking about the far lefts divisive tactics used to convey messages.
This government is an ideological disaster for this country
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Again, and again and again - please provide context and definition, as well as examples of the far left.
Can you actually explain what you think "far left" is?
Ok Boomer
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Copy and paste my posts into chat GPT to explain it all to you.
Iβve given examples. You obviously have a problem understanding what everyone else does!
Iβll help from chat GPT: Far left politics advocates radical change to eliminate economic inequality, hierarchy, and perceived oppression. It typically opposes capitalism, supports collective or state ownership of major industries, extensive wealth redistribution, and challenges existing institutions viewed as structurally unjust.
- Mass activism: Protests, strikes, and civil disobedience to pressure institutions and disrupt systems seen as unjust.
- Labour organisation: Strengthening unions and collective bargaining to challenge employer power and redistribute wealth.
- Institutional reform or replacement: Pushing to radically restructure or abolish institutions like markets, policing, or private ownership.
- Revolutionary means (in some strands): Advocating systemic overthrow when gradual reform is viewed as impossible.
A great example of how your understanding is utterly flawed, purposefully I suspect.
You're arguing in utter generalities generated for you by chatgpt, and looking at the ones above, at least two are just simply socially just and should be in place in society today. I.e. equality and parity in a balanced society.
Any examples of far left in the western world right now? In New Zealand?
Because it's all the right and the far right at the moment.
It's pointless going any further for me with this rubbish, I appreciate it's hard to accept the horrors the system you endorse and live are generating around the world.
To accept would mean admitting these things exist, and that's the first step on the way to either redemption or full immersion.
I hope you have enough of a moral compass to decide which is which, but it's not looking great.
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Why doesnβt anyone live under far left? Because you would end up like Wellington with rainbow toiletsβ¦ and sewage running down your streets. Why is the world far right? Because itβs delivered the best standard of living ever, most peaceful, longest living, lowest poverty levels. Facts.
Of course you accept these basic facts because it would destroy your whole ideological basis.
Things like equality - the right believe in equality of opportunity. These left believe in equality of outcome. These are fundamental differences. We want the same things but your way runs into hard limits. Human nature.
Check out the documentary Reversal of Fortune - about a homeless man give $100k⦠and broke again in 6 months. Human nature.
The right understand this. The far left live in a utopia. Fair enough. But then to say the right have no moral compass because they want the same outcome but live in reality, just exposes your lefty moral outrage that is the whole issue
