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[Rick O’Shay]

Does Sanzar still exist? Super rugby is a dead product, especially since the Boks went elsewhere. Spectator numbers haven't been great for a long long time and the product is getting to be predictable in terms of it will be a NZ franchise that wins the thing
Look at the European Club leagues and Champions cup. Stands are usually packed. I guess the same for Japanese club sides.

Don't we'll ever see the big super or provincial crowds of the past. Too many punters gone to support the likes of us and Football.

Great to say and don't want to put the jinx on but Winnas are Grinnas

 

[Canonball]

I think you you're onto something there.

The years of not paying the players but taking all gate revenue instilled an arrogance with the administration that has never been shook off since they went pro.

I think the Silverlake deal made that attitude explicit - the union players' association was deadset against it, it was voted through by the controlling regional unions anyway - really naive stuff, selling out the base like that

 

[CWC]

I think the Silverlake deal made that attitude explicit - the union players' association was deadset against it, it was voted through by the controlling regional unions anyway - really naive stuff, selling out the base like that

I don’t follow it but it sounded like bad news when you start taking easy foreign money who cares more about shares than the actual fundamentals

 

[Matiunz]

Does Sanzar still exist? Super rugby is a dead product, especially since the Boks went elsewhere. Spectator numbers haven't been great for a long long time and the product is getting to be predictable in terms of it will be a NZ franchise that wins the thing
Look at the European Club leagues and Champions cup. Stands are usually packed. I guess the same for Japanese club sides.

Don't we'll ever see the big super or provincial crowds of the past. Too many punters gone to support the likes of us and Football.

Great to say and don't want to put the jinx on but Winnas are Grinnas

Yes SANZAAR (Argentina in there too) still exist. The European club rugby crowds are a bit misleading, most of their grounds are sub 10k, even poor super crowds still tend to get sizeably more. However the UK clubs in particular are struggling with a number folding over the last few years.
It’s only really the French and Japanese that are paying the massive salaries and that’s mostly at the mercy of some bored billionaires plaything.

It’s a chicken and egg thing but lower ticket prices and getting accessible fta coverage is a big factor in trying to turn things around.
Ticket prices to maximise crowds has been a massive success to raising the Warriors crowds but looking at the clubs financial performances it’s not hugely profitable, however it’s doing wonders for building the clubs profile and hooking customers

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

Yes SANZAAR (Argentina in there too) still exist. The European club rugby crowds are a bit misleading, most of their grounds are sub 10k, even poor super crowds still tend to get sizeably more. However the UK clubs in particular are struggling with a number folding over the last few years.
It’s only really the French and Japanese that are paying the massive salaries and that’s mostly at the mercy of some bored billionaires plaything.

It’s a chicken and egg thing but lower ticket prices and getting accessible fta coverage is a big factor in trying to turn things around.
Ticket prices to maximise crowds has been a massive success to raising the Warriors crowds but looking at the clubs financial performances it’s not hugely profitable, however it’s doing wonders for building the clubs profile and hooking customers

The NRL makes a profit every year whereas the NZRU loses millions every year - one has a sustainable business and the other does not.

 

[Canonball]

I don’t follow it but it sounded like bad news when you start taking easy foreign money who cares more about shares than the actual fundamentals

it's a cliche but it is very rare for a private equity partner to invest in and grow an organisation/business... interest, dividends are the driver, the assets are there to act as collateral for those returns by definition, any amount of operational or liquid capital dropped in at the start of such a deal is future extraction from the base - and the the managers at nzru have proven that they didn't know what to do with that cash so guess what's going have to be sold/devalued to cover the debt...?

 

[CWC]

it's a cliche but it is very rare for a private equity partner to invest in and grow an organisation/business... interest, dividends are the driver, the assets are there to act as collateral for those returns by definition, any amount of operational or liquid capital dropped in at the start of such a deal is future extraction from the base - and the the managers at nzru have proven that they didn't know what to do with that cash so guess what's going have to be sold/devalued to cover the debt...?

Fudge sounds like a death spiral

 

[Canonball]

Fudge sounds like a death spiral

reckon it is ... even as a league guy i still find the situation very sad, the heritage of union in this country is a unique and special thing