Sports 🏉 Rugby
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A new stadium often leads to a boost in attendance as people want to experience it. Also will get people coming back.
The Crusaders are often on top of the competition. Can see them pulling some good crowds if they go on a winning run.
The other factor will be keeping the ticket prices realistic.
As an Aucklander I'm likely in for another 10 years of debating stadiums.
The Crusaders are often on top of the competition. Can see them pulling some good crowds if they go on a winning run.
The other factor will be keeping the ticket prices realistic.
As an Aucklander I'm likely in for another 10 years of debating stadiums.
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Super Rugby: Fragile competition reaches a crossroad as financial pressures hit - Gregor Paul - NZ Herald https://share.google/531P5DZhoMhH8YoML
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Japan coach says South Africa helped kill off Sunwolves as revenge for Rugby World Cup vote - Extra.ie
The former head coach of Japan's now-defunct Sunwolves franchise, Tony Brown, says South Africa helped destroy the club in revenge.
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Interesting that NZ sports commentators are shy of reporting these numbers;
View: https://youtu.be/6b4S3RmjvLo?si=pJmNdeUjs2S0vg6L
View: https://youtu.be/6b4S3RmjvLo?si=pJmNdeUjs2S0vg6L
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Key take outs;
* NZR is currently servicing an interest-only debt of $10.9 million per year until 2031 (when they need to find a way of handing over c$400m to Silver Lake, and there is no TV deal or Super Rugby areement after 2030 - N.B., the current TV deal is down 30% on the previous one)
* The NZRU consolidated losses of $47.5M in 2022, $8.9M in 2023, and $19.5M in 2024. Despite the "record revenue" the board touts, the bottom line is hemorrhaging cash - borrowed cash!
* The registered playing base has dropped from 31,000 to 23,000 in just a few years—a 30% collapse in talent production (spun by the board as great news as the women's game is growing)
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Wait so the 23,000 number includes women which is growing?
That would mean even more men leaving the game
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Nah, thats guys and boys - they use the women's numbers to back uo their bullshit that the game is growing (but they ain't gonna play for the all blacks1Wait so the 23,000 number includes women which is growing?
That would mean even more men leaving the game
)The whole management of the game in NZ since the players were allowed to be paid is a car crash being played out in slow motion in front of our eyes - in 2031 they will have no cash, they won't have a profesional competition, they won't have a TV deal and Silver Lake will probably take the all blacks around the world playing exhibition games until they've got their promised $400m.
They already play exhibition matches in the likes of Asia/US most yearsNah, thats guys and boys - they use the women's numbers to back uo their bullshit that the game is growing (but they ain't gonna play for the all blacks1
The whole management of the game in NZ since the players were allowed to be paid is a car crash being played out in slow motion in front of our eyes - in 2031 they will have no cash, they won't have a profesional competition, they won't have a TV deal and Silver Lake will probably take the all blacks around the world playing exhibition games until they've got their promised $400m.
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And they are still losing money and Silver Lake want their money back - don't expect to see them play many games in NZ after 2030
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The NZRU are slowly drip feeding their 2025 financial report out - and it's another 7 figure loss.
They are currently propping up the all blacks, super rugby and the NPC and trying to do it all with less revenue coming in than *checks notes* Ipswich Town football club.
Even with this unsustainable money being poured into the two loss making competitions the most a non-all black can earn in NZ is $250k v AUD400k average in the NRL (and top NRL players and players in rugby competitions in Japan and Europe can earn in excess of $1m).
The old farts and blazer brigade at rhe NZRU need to accept the fact that the current model for rugby in NZ is broken and that they will bankrupt the sport if they dont change how it's managed RFN.
They are currently propping up the all blacks, super rugby and the NPC and trying to do it all with less revenue coming in than *checks notes* Ipswich Town football club.
Even with this unsustainable money being poured into the two loss making competitions the most a non-all black can earn in NZ is $250k v AUD400k average in the NRL (and top NRL players and players in rugby competitions in Japan and Europe can earn in excess of $1m).
The old farts and blazer brigade at rhe NZRU need to accept the fact that the current model for rugby in NZ is broken and that they will bankrupt the sport if they dont change how it's managed RFN.
Not sure that they have the product anymore to be able to make the game profitable in NZ with the current competitions
The Silver Lake debt burden is getting closer and closer, can't see how it can be turned around in 3-4 years from the basket case it is now.
Don't have any numbers but any idea of how much the women's game is adding to the deficit?
The Silver Lake debt burden is getting closer and closer, can't see how it can be turned around in 3-4 years from the basket case it is now.
Don't have any numbers but any idea of how much the women's game is adding to the deficit?
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The woman's game is a drop in the ocean - the NZRU have burned $76,000,000 in the last 3 years.
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$84m of losses in 4 years if the leaked 2025 numbers are true - that's bankruptcy in 2031 if the trend continues.
2031 is also the year when the current Super Rugby agreement and Sky TV deal runs out.
Classic under valuation of labour's contribution to an enterprise i reckon - NRL's success in recent years is partly down to better respecting players and their rep (the RLPA) as stakeholders - simply said union has an issue with its 'productive base' - league isn't some sort of paragon in this but it does start from an assumption that these are working people, not an abstract dream or a further link in an unmolested all black chain going back to 1905
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The All Blacks losing their aura and globalization of the game probably made kids realize they could just go to Europe and Japan to earn the big $$ in front of big crowds, the ABs taking sabbaticals kinda devalued the jersey too, if it's that commercial then might as well take the cash on offer
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I think you you're onto something there.
The years of not paying the players but taking all gate revenue instilled an arrogance with the administration that has never been shook off since they went pro.
