I don't want to speculate about what may have happened off the field, but David Kirk's comments don't deny the fact there were major issues there. After the good starts against South Africa and England, the way they imploded about 25 minutes in was alarming regardless of how well the opposition played.
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The loss to South Africa where the second half was a capitulation was the one I thought really showed a deterioration. Had some good wins but no consistency
Just did a quick google. Dalton's kid appears to have been born on August 1st, which was well before the end of year tour. I'm not saying it didn't happen altogether though (I have no idea), but that date is conveniently exactly 2 weeks after the final All Blacks home test against France, and 2 weeks before we kicked off the Rugby Championship with 2 games in Argentina.
Dalton was involved in the French series but not the Argentina games.
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Hey, Yahoo! is THRIVING. I still use it for my email.
But, yeah, truthfully it's getting boring scrolling past posts written by people who obviously don't like Trump - I don't either BTW - and can't be bothered even pretending otherwise but still post what they post as "News".
As to the All Blacks. The most damning comment in the Herald yesterday was the senior Blues player (Dalton?) who was picked in the All Blacks XV who refused an offer to join the All Blacks for the Wales game. It'd be like Fish playing in the NSW Cup and telling Stacey "Yeah, Nah, Tell Webby to go jump!"
I read an opinion piece a while back that basically asked "As a fan, do you want to watch your team knowing they're going to stomp the opposition whatever the circumstances, or do you want to every so often go 'Oh, jeez, it's THEM! We're gonna have to play well to get this one!'?" and said if you were an ABs fan and were of the first attitude, those days are Going if not Gone.
And as for the death spiral and the boring, negative game. That's totally on World Rugby. In the same way any ugly aspect of rugby league is on the NRL. They make the rules/intepretations that teams play by/exploit to fit their skills.
I think it was the right move, the All Blacks were getting some very basic aspects of their game wrong that would never happen usually. It isn't even a skill issue, tactically Razor appeared to be very poor. Sounds like man management has also been a big issue. Interesting as that was a strength of this at the Crusaders. Essentially once he lost the dressing room, he was done.
Glad to see that the new NZR chair has been decisive and made this decision early enough. New coach is on a hiding to nothing with their schedule this year though.
Glad to see that the new NZR chair has been decisive and made this decision early enough. New coach is on a hiding to nothing with their schedule this year though.
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The lead up to his appointment did remind me of McClennan's appointment with us. A coach available that had success and a coach in place who didn't excite the fan base. Articles after losses would have comments sections with fans blaming the coach and wanting the other guy. Everything will be better when he's appointed. Even if the results were better it would have been hard to live up to the expectations that were building up.
In saying that his results with the Crusaders meant he deserved consideration for the job. Besides coaching New Zealand age group or A sides etc the best jobs for a coach in NZ is NPC and Super Rugby level which he had a lot of experience at.
Similar to the player debate. They want coaches in NZ to select for the All Blacks and NZ Rugby get worried about sending their intellectual property overseas. There are a limited number of coaching jobs available. Maybe he would have benefited from coaching overseas for a few years. Coach a different playing group, implement a system suited to a different playing group.
The risk when someone leaves is they may not come back. Sure the All Blacks job is an attractive job to lure guys back. But, you also need to find a job back here first and also give up good money overseas.
In saying that his results with the Crusaders meant he deserved consideration for the job. Besides coaching New Zealand age group or A sides etc the best jobs for a coach in NZ is NPC and Super Rugby level which he had a lot of experience at.
Similar to the player debate. They want coaches in NZ to select for the All Blacks and NZ Rugby get worried about sending their intellectual property overseas. There are a limited number of coaching jobs available. Maybe he would have benefited from coaching overseas for a few years. Coach a different playing group, implement a system suited to a different playing group.
The risk when someone leaves is they may not come back. Sure the All Blacks job is an attractive job to lure guys back. But, you also need to find a job back here first and also give up good money overseas.
Interesting times ahead.
Listening to some of the articles, or podcasts yesterday. They have a camp in a few weeks. Who is going to run that.
Their captain is also sitting out the Super Rugby season. The new coach may not rate him as highly. I don't know the depth we have in his position so he may get selected but may not retain the captaincy.
Likely his assistants will be looking for new jobs as well.
Listening to some of the articles, or podcasts yesterday. They have a camp in a few weeks. Who is going to run that.
Their captain is also sitting out the Super Rugby season. The new coach may not rate him as highly. I don't know the depth we have in his position so he may get selected but may not retain the captaincy.
Likely his assistants will be looking for new jobs as well.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Silver Lake is making its presence known after a few blunders
We've had:
Looking at the board composition, it's fine but it could be stronger. David Kirk and Silver Lake appear to be the strongest members but really, the board needs more heft and breadth of skillsets
We've had:
- A messy head coach appointment by the outgoing CEO
- Poor comms from the outgoing CEO
- Finger pointing between the outgoing coach (Foster) and outgoing CEO
- Bad results onfield = NZR brand value softening
- Contracted players publicly unhappy
Looking at the board composition, it's fine but it could be stronger. David Kirk and Silver Lake appear to be the strongest members but really, the board needs more heft and breadth of skillsets
The captain needs to be easily the best player in his position and unfortunately Scott Barrett is not that.
Savea should have been the captain and hopefully gets appointed this time around.
yeah that seems like the opposite of a true story, Dalton wasn't even important to the side, also the players union is very strong, they would roast NZR if it was remotely true
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As someone who didn’t watch a lot of union growing up in Sydney out side of world cups, it seems like the play style was always the same for the north, slow and take points were you can.
Much like the nrl the slower the game is the more it accommodates to that style and union had only slowed down with more penalties.
That being said as a warriors fan its really only a good thing for us, I still think the bludger of a 23 final from the Springbok / WRU was the best thing to happen following our season.
