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[wizard of Tauranga]

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

Coalitions pretty close at the moment. Luxon still not resonating though

The greens gaining and up to 17% support.

Wow!

The Greens MP’s have been diabolical, albeit Chloe’s now leader. Do their supporters just not care? Have they no values?

Or is it just a vote of no confidence in Hipkins in the left?

 

[marv.]

Sorry. I just saw a post you liked about an 80% drop in ram raids and it implied it was because of government and wondered why a 70% increase in sexual assault wasn’t due to government as well? Easy to cherry pick to back your point but the overall picture doesn’t always tell the whole story

nah,
i like a bunch of crap here.
that in particular for getting the conversation started again.

it’s been pretty stagnant lately.

if my life depended on it, and i squinted and tried my hardest, i could possibly see an arguement where banning phones in schools and increased police presence are possible reasons ram raids might be on the downward slide.

i cannot though see any reason to do with current government why sexual assaults are on the up, other than what i said earlier.

 

[MaybeTop8]

nah,
i like a bunch of crap here.
that in particular for getting the conversation started again.

it’s been pretty stagnant lately.

if my life depended on it, and i squinted and tried my hardest, i could possibly see an arguement where banning phones in schools and increased police presence are possible reasons ram raids might be on the downward slide.

i cannot though see any reason to do with current government why sexual assaults are on the up, other than what i said earlier.

I saw you cry out earlier that you wanted to find out more about neoliberalism Marv - this is a good start -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz3mZeKRCEI&t=1373s

 

[defensivebomb]

Sorry. I just saw a post you liked about an 80% drop in ram raids and it implied it was because of government and wondered why a 70% increase in sexual assault wasn’t due to government as well? Easy to cherry pick to back your point but the overall picture doesn’t always tell the whole story

All warriors home games have sold out since the new government has been in place as well

 

[marv.]

All warriors home games have sold out since the new government has been in place as well

love it!

 

[juju]

South Australia introduces ‘world-leading’ bill to ban political donations from elections

Premier says move will end the ‘nexus between money and political power’ and challenges state and federal counterparts to follow suit

www.theguardian.com

This would be a really healthy thing if it happened here.

 

[1995warriorsfan]

I happy with this. You can't blame speed for all accidents.

 

[John Nick]

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I happy with this. You can't blame speed for all accidents.

Just the severity

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Just the severity

The road toll hasn’t come down with all the speed reductions.

In fact it’s gone up because it’s more complicated than just speed.

Ie if you drive 10% slower your on the road 10% longer so have 10% greater chance of having a crash in the first place, even though it may be less severe.

 

[John Nick]

The road toll hasn’t come down with all the speed reductions.

In fact it’s gone up because it’s more complicated than just speed.

Ie if you drive 10% slower your on the road 10% longer so have 10% greater chance of having a crash in the first place, even though it may be less severe.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.
Remember the old saying.
Statistics are like the drunk guy who used the lampost for support and not illumination

 

[PullingTeets]

The road toll hasn’t come down with all the speed reductions.

In fact it’s gone up because it’s more complicated than just speed.

Ie if you drive 10% slower your on the road 10% longer so have 10% greater chance of having a crash in the first place, even though it may be less severe.

Someone's smoking the crack, lowest holiday road toll EVER

 

[Worried2Death]

Someone's smoking the crack, lowest holiday road toll EVER

Seems to have gone up or down depending on your political preference. Anyone got the actual stats?

 

[Bay39er]

Ie if you drive 10% slower your on the road 10% longer so have 10% greater chance of having a crash in the first place, even though it may be less severe.

How many taxi drivers are involved in fatal crashes?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

How many taxi drivers are involved in fatal crashes?

Are there any taxi drivers left?

Uber kills more of them that the road

In 2022 61 people died in truck crashes - higher weigh = more deaths, but I will argue time on the road is more of a factor than speed and reducing speed counterintuitively increasing the opportunity for accidents.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Someone's smoking the crack, lowest holiday road toll EVER

343 deaths 2024 vs 253 deaths 10 years earlier in 2013.

Our speed cameras are doing a wonderful job in their intended purpose




(revenue gathering)

 

[Worried2Death]

343 deaths 2024 vs 253 deaths 10 years earlier in 2013.

Our speed cameras are doing a wonderful job in their intended purpose




(revenue gathering)

Are there more cars on the road than 2013

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Are there more cars on the road than 2013

If you slow all cars by 10% and they need to spend 10% longer getting from A to B, then of course your going to have 10% more cars on the road at any one time.

Simple maths isn’t it?

 

[Damo]

If you slow all cars by 10% and they need to spend 10% longer getting from A to B, then of course your going to have 10% more cars on the road at any one time.

Simple maths isn’t it?

Considering there has been a 20% increase in population between those two dates, is a 35% increase in road deaths expected? Or is that too many? I would expect the increase in road deaths to not be exactly linear with population growth.

It's not as simple as increase in road deaths = bad, so many factors to take into account. Not simple maths at all.

 

[Worried2Death]

If you slow all cars by 10% and they need to spend 10% longer getting from A to B, then of course your going to have 10% more cars on the road at any one time.

Simple maths isn’t it?

Either that or you have the same number of cars for 10% longer, does that cause 10% more accidents? 10% more potential but they're going slower so 10% less potential. In summary, fucked if I know.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Considering there has been a 20% increase in population between those two dates, is a 35% increase in road deaths expected? Or is that too many? I would expect the increase in road deaths to not be exactly linear with population growth.

It's not as simple as increase in road deaths = bad, so many factors to take into account. Not simple maths at all.

Population increase less Increase in public transport use plus increase/ decrease in alcohol and drug use less safety improvements in cars less road safety improvements less changes in driver competency = speeds just one of many factors that’s given an overweighted importance and lowering speed limits hasn’t dented the road toll while reducing productivity and increasing transport cost.