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[Noitall]

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'Know all the facts': Seymour hits back at PM after his Polkinghorne letter judged 'ill-advised'

The Act leader has not held back in his response to the Prime Minister's criticism.

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Yeah I can see this turning to a horror show for this current government

 

[MaybeTop8]

Yawn… hit job….

The calls for resignation were for ‘influence prosecution decisions’

Show what in that letter could be perceived as influencing prosecution decisions?

Seymour wrote letter supporting Polkinghorne during police probe into wife’s death

Act leader claimed police went 'beyond their brief' when investigating eye surgeon.

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“At the police station Mr Polkinghorne was asked what he thought was to be some supplementary questions, but this evolved into a prolonged interview lasting some four hours,” wrote Seymour on behalf of the doctor.

He also alleged police did not inform the doctor of his legal rights.

The Epsom MP also criticised police for contacting Polkinghorne’s private psychologist to ask for his diagnosis and appointment schedule.

“Again, this is highly inappropriate I would have thought and quite invasive to Mr Polkinghorne’s privacy and welfare,” wrote Seymour.

Act leader David Seymour was critical of police for denying family access to Pauline Hanna's toxicology and autopsy results. Photo / Supplied
The Act leader continued, criticising police for denying family access to Hanna’s toxicology and autopsy results, and for asking Counties Manukau health officials to also withhold a review of Hanna’s workload from her family.

Seymour’s letter also claimed police informed the Medical Council that they had found illicit drugs in the doctor’s home. “Ownership of the drugs had not been established,” he wrote.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Seymour wrote letter supporting Polkinghorne during police probe into wife’s death

Act leader claimed police went 'beyond their brief' when investigating eye surgeon.

www.nzherald.co.nz

“At the police station Mr Polkinghorne was asked what he thought was to be some supplementary questions, but this evolved into a prolonged interview lasting some four hours,” wrote Seymour on behalf of the doctor.

He also alleged police did not inform the doctor of his legal rights.

The Epsom MP also criticised police for contacting Polkinghorne’s private psychologist to ask for his diagnosis and appointment schedule.

“Again, this is highly inappropriate I would have thought and quite invasive to Mr Polkinghorne’s privacy and welfare,” wrote Seymour.

Act leader David Seymour was critical of police for denying family access to Pauline Hanna's toxicology and autopsy results. Photo / Supplied
The Act leader continued, criticising police for denying family access to Hanna’s toxicology and autopsy results, and for asking Counties Manukau health officials to also withhold a review of Hanna’s workload from her family.

Seymour’s letter also claimed police informed the Medical Council that they had found illicit drugs in the doctor’s home. “Ownership of the drugs had not been established,” he wrote.

Yes, all to do with the accused rights.

So where did he try to influence prosecution decisions?

Non event.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Yes, all to do with the accused rights.

So where did he try to influence prosecution decisions?

Non event.

The denial is strong in this one.

 

[Noitall]

Seymour wrote letter supporting Polkinghorne during police probe into wife’s death

Act leader claimed police went 'beyond their brief' when investigating eye surgeon.

www.nzherald.co.nz

“At the police station Mr Polkinghorne was asked what he thought was to be some supplementary questions, but this evolved into a prolonged interview lasting some four hours,” wrote Seymour on behalf of the doctor.

He also alleged police did not inform the doctor of his legal rights.

The Epsom MP also criticised police for contacting Polkinghorne’s private psychologist to ask for his diagnosis and appointment schedule.

“Again, this is highly inappropriate I would have thought and quite invasive to Mr Polkinghorne’s privacy and welfare,” wrote Seymour.

Act leader David Seymour was critical of police for denying family access to Pauline Hanna's toxicology and autopsy results. Photo / Supplied
The Act leader continued, criticising police for denying family access to Hanna’s toxicology and autopsy results, and for asking Counties Manukau health officials to also withhold a review of Hanna’s workload from her family.

Seymour’s letter also claimed police informed the Medical Council that they had found illicit drugs in the doctor’s home. “Ownership of the drugs had not been established,” he wrote.

Must be pretty disappointing for police to have a senior politician criticising their practices in what seems like a murky case to say the least

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Must be pretty disappointing for police to have a senior politician criticising their practices in what seems like a murky case to say the least

Well it depends. Did they read him his rights, mistreat him and try to access his private medical records or not?

No one’s answered if he was actually justified in being involved or not? THAT is actually the role of electorate MP’s in a democracy.

What’s clear to me is it was politically daft but was aimed at perceived breaches of rights rather than influencing prosecution decisions.

If I was being mistreated by police I would hope Seymour was my MP and actually did his job rather than any MP’s from the left!

 

[defensivebomb]

As noted earlier, I think Seymour should have given it a swerve.

Having said that, he wasn’t the police minister at the time (therefore not to be confused with his current role), and the guy ended up not guilty (but was obviously guilty)

Seymour should learn his lesson about what sort of person he wants his brand associated with. I think the biggest fallout will be in his electorate, where Polkinghorne is a pariah

 

[Noitall]

Well it depends. Did they read him his rights, mistreat him and try to access his private medical records or not?

No one’s answered if he was actually justified in being involved or not? THAT is actually the role of electorate MP’s in a democracy.

What’s clear to me is it was politically daft but was aimed at perceived breaches of rights rather than influencing prosecution decisions.

If I was being mistreated by police I would hope Seymour was my MP and actually did his job rather than any MP’s from the left!

With it coming to light of him being a political donor, it does give a perception that you can buy a politician to be in your corner as I don’t think Seymour would do this for just anyone

 

[defensivebomb]

With it coming to light of him being a political donor, it does give a perception that you can buy a politician to be in your corner as I don’t think Seymour would do this for just anyone

Speaking of which, (and this is rumour), but I heard the big driver of Act’s “no reason” dismissal of $180k+ earners was thanks to billionaire Nick Mowbray requesting it

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

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Labour calling for Seymour to be sacked. We all know that’s not going to happen but it does apply pressure with him the incoming deputy pm and scrutiny surrounding him

 

[Noitall]

I wonder if national might think a half term of Seymour as deputy pm might be too volatile and backtrack?

 

[John Nick]

I wonder if national might think a half term of Seymour as deputy pm might be too volatile and backtrack?

Certainly seems Hipkins got one thing right when he predicted that Seymour and Winnie would run rings around Luxon

 

[Mr Drag]

Stuff

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Not much in these polls, interesting it’s the second one to show enough for opposition to govern now though

Is Stuff saying Labour are Centre?

 

[Mr Drag]

Yes. Someone solely on income tax might get a low rate; but business in NZ is one of the highest tax rates in the world. Other countries may have a CGT but they might not have our brightline.

We also have a big 15% GST which other countries don’t have… add that 15% onto a top tax rate and it’s up there.

All swings in roundabouts and the whole package is what matters and how it suits each country.

Australia have 10% GST and Pay no tax on the first 18,000. That is way better for the people at the bottom who are struggling! Even under Labour the thought of lower taxes would make them vomit!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Is Stuff saying Labour are Centre?

Stuffs is far left media so even the Greens sit centre for it

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

If Seymour has done wrong this is pretty damning then:

In relation to the election and data misuse claims surrounding the māori party

‘The party’s leaders wrote to authorities last year asking for the investigation “in order to prove our innocence”

High powered party leaders instructing the investigation to ‘prove innocence’ is 10x worse than what Seymour did and setting clear outcome expectations before the investigation.

… but I won’t expect the left on here or media to call for TPM resignations because that’s not how the political games work

 

[Damo]

If Seymour has done wrong this is pretty damning then:

In relation to the election and data misuse claims surrounding the māori party

‘The party’s leaders wrote to authorities last year asking for the investigation “in order to prove our innocence”

High powered party leaders instructing the investigation to ‘prove innocence’ is 10x worse than what Seymour did and setting clear outcome expectations before the investigation.

… but I won’t expect the left on here or media to call for TPM resignations because that’s not how the political games work

Asking for an investigation in order to prove innocence isn't the gotcha you are trying to present here.

Its literally asking for independant verification of them not doing anything wrong? Is that not a good thing?

 

[MaybeTop8]

‘Absolutely an error’: Advisor on Seymour’s legal advice to victim

Ruth Money criticised David Seymour for overstepping in two cases.

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[wizard of Tauranga]

‘Absolutely an error’: Advisor on Seymour’s legal advice to victim

Ruth Money criticised David Seymour for overstepping in two cases.

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What did these experts say about TPM asking for an investigation to ‘prove they are innocent’ rather than asking for an investigation to ‘see what has happened?’

Oh that’s right the media have an angle and TPM isn’t the target

This sort of unbalanced witch hunt just exposes the media and shows their bias.

Guarantee nothing happens and it’s last weeks news by next week More lefty media non-events

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Asking for an investigation in order to prove innocence isn't the gotcha you are trying to present here.

Its literally asking for independant verification of them not doing anything wrong? Is that not a good thing?

So if Seymour asked the police to vertify that Polkington was innocent that’s ok?

TPM needed to ask for an investigation to see what happened not to prove innocence.

MP’s can advocate for people rights (as Seymour did) but can’t say anything to do with the outcome (as TPM did).

It would be like Luxon asking for an investigation into the navy sinking to prove the captain is innocent - you just don’t do that and he would be crucified… but TMP isn’t…
And suddenly it comes out years later? Non event political hit job