During the cyclone and rain event January 2023 it was publicly owned infrastructure like this that showed how crucial it was to have this in public ownership.
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Does that make you clever for recognising it's his opinion or @juju clever for recognising his cleverness?
All I know, is now I'm confused which doesn't make me feel at all clever!!!
All they do though is use the information for apportioning rates. I don’t see why it can’t be just done by a politically-appointed valuation company. But ok, I see your point
Ok let’s keep kordia in that case
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@wizard of Tauranga one of the links cited in the chat gpt reply: https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/server/api/core/bitstreams/d6df0611-7011-4850-8498-6c25b8df0436/content
The Emergence of Neoliberalism
In barely a generation, neoliberalism came to dominate and define the way that
most countries in the world organized their economies, their social policies and
the means by which they related with other countries. At a global scale,
neoliberal policies led to the transfer from public to private ownership of
US$1,230 billion worth of assets during the 1977–2003 period in what Bortolotti
and Faccio describe as ‘arguably the greatest transfer of ownership in the history
of the corporation’ [2009: 2907]. The neoliberal project ushered in a globalized
network of interlocking agreements and institutions dedicated to promoting the
deregulation of trade, financial exchange and even social policy at national,
regional and global levels. Key amongst these is the World Trade Organization
which supports and is, in turn, buttressed by a number of regional free trade
agreements and a host of bilateral arrangements.
Neoliberalism emerged in different ways in different countries. In some, such
the US and the UK, politicians and parties campaigned openly and won elections
with neoliberal policies. In other countries, such as New Zealand, parties did not
show their neoliberal colours until after they had been installed in government.
Roger Douglas, New Zealand’s Minister of Finance who masterminded its
neoliberal reforms, is remarkably frank about the tactics that were necessary to
implement neoliberalism over the objections of an unwilling public, to the point
of describing the process using military terminology
The Emergence of Neoliberalism
In barely a generation, neoliberalism came to dominate and define the way that
most countries in the world organized their economies, their social policies and
the means by which they related with other countries. At a global scale,
neoliberal policies led to the transfer from public to private ownership of
US$1,230 billion worth of assets during the 1977–2003 period in what Bortolotti
and Faccio describe as ‘arguably the greatest transfer of ownership in the history
of the corporation’ [2009: 2907]. The neoliberal project ushered in a globalized
network of interlocking agreements and institutions dedicated to promoting the
deregulation of trade, financial exchange and even social policy at national,
regional and global levels. Key amongst these is the World Trade Organization
which supports and is, in turn, buttressed by a number of regional free trade
agreements and a host of bilateral arrangements.
Neoliberalism emerged in different ways in different countries. In some, such
the US and the UK, politicians and parties campaigned openly and won elections
with neoliberal policies. In other countries, such as New Zealand, parties did not
show their neoliberal colours until after they had been installed in government.
Roger Douglas, New Zealand’s Minister of Finance who masterminded its
neoliberal reforms, is remarkably frank about the tactics that were necessary to
implement neoliberalism over the objections of an unwilling public, to the point
of describing the process using military terminology
I'd like to retain some form of public broadcasting but trust in legacy media is so eroded half the people think it's state propaganda, so it'll probably go.
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No, just agreeing
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put it this way - I’d rather we sold a lot of stuff, but kept a controlling stake, and spread that money over a larger number of things
That’s a much better outcome than being all in on a few things
Same amount of money deployed publicly. More control
That’s a much better outcome than being all in on a few things
Same amount of money deployed publicly. More control
Water networks, power networks, generation (not retailers), stakes in airports, transport
Shit like that
And I don’t know where you’d classify educational and facilities and hospitals, but that too
Mate, when I left NZ last year we were beibg asked by the minister to find overseas companies who would want to build, toll and own private motoways and road tunnels - Luxon wanting to privatise health and education whilst selling off state houses, KiwiRail, Interislander etc is no surprise in that context.
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Education, water, power, airports, hospitals, health - all first on the chopping blocks to be sold off.
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His opinion is generally informed, data driven, well researched and sensible.
I think getting private companies to build roads we don’t have and can’t afford to move more, faster (while there’s still slower existing roads) is not privatisation.
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Mate, give it up... @MaybeTop8 has seen the briefing papers... plus stuff, Chlöe and Hipkins have said it's happening so it must be!!!
Given they won't be owned by the new zealand public, when do you expect to stop paying tolls? And is your expectation that the nz public won't have to pay anything ever for maintenance?
And given they might be crucial infrastructure do you expect full public access to what is a private good?
Just following what's happened in NZ, Australia, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, US, Canada, UK etc etc over the last 45 years. It's all there.
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We don’t have it now and can’t afford it… it’s not crucial if it doesn’t exist
Sounds like I can’t have it so nobody can have it!
That doesn't answer any of the questions Wiz.
Sydney does the private / public roading well. Everytime I go over there there is a new highway. It is really opening up the city, particularly out west where there is affordable housing and a lot of land
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It’s all irrelevant if it’s not a public asset in the first place. Go use a train.
Do you want to claim my house for public ownership as well?
I find it difficult to see where Prisoner, sorry, President Trump fits in.... a lot of the definitions of him show has actions/thoughts to be a neo-lib (less tax, less government, private property rights, control over judiciary) but then his views on gobalisation and protectionism seem very much at odds to the classical neo-lib ideology. Maybe it's just that the orange tanning solution has entered his brain!!
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