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[MrFrankWhite]

Who's responsible for these poor training standards? Looks like the MCC.

"In the New Zealand Navy, the Maritime Component Commander (MCC) is responsible for the training of the Navy's fleet. The MCC is also responsible for the readiness of the fleet, as well as the specialist teams that support the Navy's mission."

Officer training school, that MCC and especially the captain. "the officer overseeing the ship." as they said

 

[Damo]

Officer training school, that MCC and especially the captain. "the officer overseeing the ship." as they said

The Navigation school specifically, the people who signed that specific Officer of the Watch off, and ultimately the OOW taking those actions.
In reality, the Captain and Navigator of the ship are all going to bear the majority of the blame.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

There most definitely is extensive breakdown SOPs and training conducted at least every other day.
Someone just screwed up, plain and simple.

at least 3 people screwed up though. Shit the Captain hit a reef before anyone thought to disengage autopilot.

the entire drama should have been;
"sir Ive lost control of the ship"
"is autopilot on?"

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The Navigation school specifically, the people who signed that specific Officer of the Watch off, and ultimately the OOW taking those actions.
In reality, the Captain and Navigator of the ship are all going to bear the majority of the blame.

Yeah tbf I am extrapolating Army and wider military experience into Naval matters. I certainly have zero experience operating large naval vessels.

 

[Worried2Death]

Yeah tbf I am extrapolating Army and wider military experience into Naval matters. I certainly have zero experience operating large naval vessels.

I'm not looking for a scapegoat or to point the finger of blame at one person, but if I were it could be this guy. Mind you he'd only been in the job 4 days, the previous guy got out just in time.

Maritime Component Commander, Commodore Shane Arndell

The Maritime Component Commander is responsible to the Chief of Navy for the command and readiness of the Fleet and the specialist teams that deliver on the Navy’s mission, outputs and outcomes, and responsible to the Commander Joint Forces New Zealand for the command and conduct of maritime...

www.nzdf.mil.nz

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I'm not looking for a scapegoat or to point the finger of blame at one person, but if I were it could be this guy. Mind you he'd only been in the job 4 days, the previous guy got out just in time.

Maritime Component Commander, Commodore Shane Arndell

The Maritime Component Commander is responsible to the Chief of Navy for the command and readiness of the Fleet and the specialist teams that deliver on the Navy’s mission, outputs and outcomes, and responsible to the Commander Joint Forces New Zealand for the command and conduct of maritime...

www.nzdf.mil.nz

Actually reading his job nah. He just sets targets for others to deliver and then passes reports up the chain. I doubt hes mandating they pass incompetent officers

 

[Bay39er]

This person would have 100 offers the next day

Not sure he would given he would be around 68 years old!!

 

[MrFrankWhite]

What the fuck is going on in the NZ Navy (apart from the obvious)

Top Navy officer under investigation, ship has new acting commander

NZDF did not address specific allegations against Bronwyn Heslop the Herald put to it.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Inruin]

“Having mistakenly assessed a thruster control failure, standard procedures should have prompted the ship’s crew to check that the ship was under manual control rather than in autopilot. This check did not occur. Remaining in autopilot resulted in the ship maintaining a course toward land, until grounding and eventually stranding.”

There you have it...

So they were conducting a survey on a reef and autopilot was engaged that would put them on a course straight in to the reef?

 

[Damo]

So they were conducting a survey on a reef and autopilot was engaged that would put them on a course straight in to the reef?

Autopilot doesn't know there is a reef. It essentially just maintains a given course

 

[Inruin]

Autopilot doesn't know there is a reef. It essentially just maintains a given course and speed

yes, they set a course with autopilot which would take them on a course straight in to the reef and then forgot to take autopilot off, tried to reverse thrust but because autopilot was still on all they managed to do was speed up in to the reef?

 

[Damo]

What the fuck is going on in the NZ Navy (apart from the obvious)

Top Navy officer under investigation, ship has new acting commander

NZDF did not address specific allegations against Bronwyn Heslop the Herald put to it.

www.nzherald.co.nz

She was an atrocious CO.

 

[Damo]

yes, they set a course with autopilot which would take them on a course straight in to the reef and then forgot to take autopilot off, tried to reverse thrust but because autopilot was still on all they managed to do was speed up in to the reef?

I assume they had a big patrol box so would have had the autopilot on to maintain the course, went to turn and there we go...
I'm an Engineer not an operator though so not 100% sure

 

[Worried2Death]

What the fuck is going on in the NZ Navy (apart from the obvious)

Top Navy officer under investigation, ship has new acting commander

NZDF did not address specific allegations against Bronwyn Heslop the Herald put to it.

www.nzherald.co.nz

"Earlier this year, a group of Navy recruits caught sharing “extreme” sexual and violent imagery involving animals and children avoided a court martial because it was considered there was no “public interest” in a prosecution."

 

[John Nick]

She was an atrocious CO.

Hi Damo. I haven't read the report but there was reports of problems and testing after the vessel left nz.
Was there any mention in the report and your thoughts please

 

[Damo]

Hi Damo. I haven't read the report but there was reports of problems and testing after the vessel left nz.
Was any mention in the report and your thoughts please

No reports mate. Ship wouldn't have sailed if they had an operational defect affecting safety

 

[John Nick]

No reports mate. Ship wouldn't have sailed if they had an operational defect affecting safety

Yes mate I understand that MNZ would have been involved before she could sail but there were reports of problems after she sailed. Maybe they were just wrong.
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She was previously involved with the Norwegian oil and gas industry so not a purpose built vessel as I understand

 

[Noitall]

Nikki Kaye’s Father Peter Kaye has passed away now. Tragic period for the family

 

[Tragic]

Nikki Kaye’s Father Peter Kaye has passed away now. Tragic period for the family

Poor bugger having to watch his kid go before he dies. Life is a c**t sometimes.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Poor bugger having to watch his kid go before he dies. Life is a c**t sometimes.

The stress of the event. Happens amongst close family.

Live life to the fullest because you don’t know what’s around the corner.