Post Match Warriors v Titans - [Round 21, 2025]

[CWC]

Wild we were bettered by a bottom team on the day at home The ship is leaking and the skipper needs to do something….or not

Maybe we can beat the dragons? 13:11 and play Penrith away round 1

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Didn’t realise we had so many NRL coaches on this board!!!

Hey, if Kearney could do it…

 

[CWC]

Hey, if Kearney could do it…

Apparently customers who pay fees to sponsors that pay coaches’ salaries cannot have opinions about how to prevent their investment from jumping off the cliff, again

 

[Tookey 2.0]

Just watched the highlights again and I dunno, I feel that DWZ has been crucified a fair bit more than he deserves.

The first try down their end is a super poor miss by Capewell, with DWZ stranded in no man's land.
The 2nd, DWZ slips over but at that point Capewell has gone well in and it was a 2 on one overlap anyways.
The 3rd incident when he gets banned, I thought Dallin was a bit unlucky. The grubber kick meant that the centres body was blocking the ball from DWZs eye line, so impossible for him to judge the tackle, which is how he was sinbinned. Again, Capewell pushed in so DWZ had to follow and hit the centre.

Dallin's never been the best defensively and perhaps a more sound defender would have snuffed those chances out, but Capewell has the biggest questions to answer for that right side imo.

 

[Wrighty]

So watching the presser, DWZ will keep his spot. It’s just webbys approach, he puts full faith in his players & backs them 100%, and to be fair to him, he’s been one of our most successful coaches for this reason.

I’m not a fan of DWZ form atm just like others. To play devils advocate though, Dallin has had about 6 different centre options this year, which hasn’t allowed for connections to form. It’s very obvious our D policy is to jam, which technically is the high percentage play, forcing the opposition into a trickier long ball if they want to the points. The space that Dallin finds himself in is actually not his fault, it’s caused by his inside defenders being beaten, leaving Dallin in a 2v1 situation. For what it’s worth, I’d rather have taine there but just trying to justify some of the defensive decisions being made out there. The reality too is most players are right handed, therefore the right to left pass is their strongest side hence most of the points coming down our right side.

Webby also mentioned he’s been desperate to move capes back to edge, but due to a long list of outside backs (and lack of depth), he’s been forced to play there. As a result, it means that TMM is required on the bench to cover any backline injuries, as our normal backline cover (capes), is already playing there.

This is the group we have & we have to back them. Losing our 2 best players has no doubt hampered our premiership hopes, and I honestly think we’re lucky to be still in the top 4. I also think we have probably overachieved this year & losing these two has probably put a line through us. Take yeo & Cleary, tapine/fogarty, Hughes/grant out of their line ups & id expect the same drop off, it’s just bad luck.

Next week Healey will be in for Egan, TMM bench. DWZ will be playing & with Ali going down in cup, capes will be at centre. I personally think taine should be there, either on the wing or at fb with cnk at centre, pomps wing but I can’t see it happening. I think Webby needs to have the nuts to make a tough call but, it goes against his entire coaching philosophy so I can’t see it happening.

Then let's roll with Webby's approach. Keeping faith in the players for an absurd amount of time. Let him do it. I bet you it works in some unexpected cases and fails in others. It is a big call to demote Dallin to NSW cup because he is not coming back up ever.
We have a thread called recruitment and retention. Webby is trying to retain our star players. Let Webby do it his way. Some will be mistakes others successes. Let's sit back and watch if Dallin repays the faith in him. Same thing with Ford as much as I would prefer him to be dropped or relegated to the bench.

 

[kos]

Then let's roll with Webby's approach. Keeping faith in the players for an absurd amount of time. Let him do it. I bet you it works in some unexpected cases and fails in others. It is a big call to demote Dallin to NSW cup because he is not coming back up ever.
We have a thread called recruitment and retention. Webby is trying to retain our star players. Let Webby do it his way. Some will be mistakes others successes. Let's sit back and watch if Dallin repays the faith in him. Same thing with Ford as much as I would prefer him to be dropped or relegated to the bench.

Is that you sup?

 

[Beastmode]

Is that you sup?

What’s crazy is I don’t know who you’re trying to insult?!!

 

[Alaska238]

The simple fix for now is to move CNK to the centres with Taine to fullback. It's less disruptive plus CNK is capable of shoring up the defence on the right edge and Taine offers some spark in attack from fullback.

 

[enterthewarrior]

There's this stigma regarding coaches being afraid to drop senior players or high paid players to reserve grade even when they don't perform. Remember when Ivan Cleary dropped Ruben Wiki to reserve grade. Imo that's the measure of a coach having the balls to drop underperforming players.

 

[SouthernWorrier]

Just watched the highlights again and I dunno, I feel that DWZ has been crucified a fair bit more than he deserves.

The first try down their end is a super poor miss by Capewell, with DWZ stranded in no man's land.
The 2nd, DWZ slips over but at that point Capewell has gone well in and it was a 2 on one overlap anyways.
The 3rd incident when he gets banned, I thought Dallin was a bit unlucky. The grubber kick meant that the centres body was blocking the ball from DWZs eye line, so impossible for him to judge the tackle, which is how he was sinbinned. Again, Capewell pushed in so DWZ had to follow and hit the centre.

Dallin's never been the best defensively and perhaps a more sound defender would have snuffed those chances out, but Capewell has the biggest questions to answer for that right side imo.

I don't disagree. But Capes is a SOO level backrower helping out in the Centre. He's done amazingly at times, but he seems to be carryin g niggles and his 'not quite there' pace is half a yard slower again. Face it, warts and all - the issue was note Capes, it was the position Capes was in. The last two weeks teams, even weak teams have us worked out: DWZ jams in, the centre sweeps behind. But Capes isn't fast enough to do it consistently.

If there is no 'next man up' centre the coach is happy with (i.e. i'd prefer to see Ali back, if he's ready) then I agree, CNK + TT at the back.

We are currently at 4 but based on yesterday we are the worst team in the league. The injury toll is tough, but we're not reacting well/ Time to step up

 

[WHB]

We were shit but those refs did the up most to ensure the game was as difficult as it can be. What was that BS call on CHT, so you can start walking over on players now…..

Yes your allowed to flop on Warriors when they playing the ball.

And Wahine can't hold players down for more than 2 seconds but opposition can carry on and score a try after Wahine have held them for 10 seconds.

You will find these rules in the K.M.A section.

 

[Makasene]

Have been doing some reflection and yes while there is room for improvement, I think many of us are greatly overestimating what the 'available' squad are capable of achieving.

Our depth allows us to compete, but teams that compete don't finish top 4 and definitely don't win comps.

The reality is we lost a NSW/Kangaroo front rower and the dally m leading halfback. Both were so crucial to our performances.

Broncos without Haas & Reynolds, Raiders without Tapine & Fogarty, Penrith without Cleary & Yeo. These teams would be middling too if they lost these players for the season.

 

[jonesy101]

Just watched the highlights again and I dunno, I feel that DWZ has been crucified a fair bit more than he deserves.

The first try down their end is a super poor miss by Capewell, with DWZ stranded in no man's land.
The 2nd, DWZ slips over but at that point Capewell has gone well in and it was a 2 on one overlap anyways.
The 3rd incident when he gets banned, I thought Dallin was a bit unlucky. The grubber kick meant that the centres body was blocking the ball from DWZs eye line, so impossible for him to judge the tackle, which is how he was sinbinned. Again, Capewell pushed in so DWZ had to follow and hit the centre.

Dallin's never been the best defensively and perhaps a more sound defender would have snuffed those chances out, but Capewell has the biggest questions to answer for that right side imo.

There have been a few too many pitchforks. It was just two weeks ago that people were commenting about DWZ having a great game. These last couple of weeks haven't been his best moments and it's hard to argue not finding a place for Taine who is doing every thing he can to gain a regular starting spot, but some of what I've read has been a bit OTT at times.

 

[Beastmode]

There have been a few too many pitchforks. It was just two weeks ago that people were commenting about DWZ having a great game. These last couple of weeks haven't been his best moments and it's hard to argue not finding a place for Taine who is doing every thing he can to gain a regular starting spot, but some of what I've read has been a bit OTT at times.

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He gets his flowers when he plays well
The strap when he doesn’t
What wrong wit that approach?

 

[Adamnz support]

Just rewatching the game. Their 3rd try came of off the back of 2 knock ons and an advantage. I don’t think the first knock on was a warriors knock on, yeah CNK knocks it on but this was post the titans player knocking it on. The 2nd knock on being a Capewell strip but Kelly knock it on in the same play before the Capewell knock on. That’s a lot of advantage in 5 minutes, which lead to the Sami try.

 

[unclesteve]

We were poor for the 2nd week running and some changes need to be made.
Capes is broken and needs a week or 2 off. As we have no one else Charzne has to move into center and TT out the back.
Demi to start and Ford to the bench or bring someone like Bunty back in. Ford only has to exist and gets penalties blown. That rep will stay him for a while.
Its not completely unsalvagable but another performance like the last 2 weeks will put the top 4 in jeopardy and make us the whipping boys for the silly NRL media. Honestly only F1 has worse journalism than the NRL

On the DWZ question, didnt the team list have Pompey switching sides but that didnt end up on game day? Which would have been a good move if I didn't just imagine it.

Anyway, hopefully Lawson can do well tonight and with the Black Caps win we can all pretend our 2nd favorite sport was more important this weekend

 

[Worried2Death]

agree, the fans are just too nice, and the team is too nice too, sigh! head down...

Don't be down on yourself bro, you're not nice and neither are we!