Post Match Warriors v Manly - [Round 2, 2025]

[Noitall]

Healey could be an upgrade at that spot.

Yeah noticed in nsw cup that both Healey and Lussick were spending time on the field together. Think Healey could definitely be in consideration for that role and he and Egan generate some fast ruck speed together

 

[Beastmode]

Sorry Frank I don't understand the grammar in your post can you try again

You do remember or don't remember him going over 125meters - and if you don't remember I am not sure how that ties in?

Not overly important but if you can re-write your post that would be good

Is English your second language?

it’s pretty clear when I read it

 

[Kav1]

Hah yeah same it was just a joke. But seeing as he loves to stick the knife in, he deserves a few at his expense.

Did you read where he was txting the boys after the Raiders loss and mocking them etc? Mad pest. Fully deserved roasting

It might've been 36 - 04 if he didn't. Confidence in RTS was what he has and what we need in this game of halves. Take a slow-mo look at that "Flick" it was Matt Gidley like. What say he didn't "Flick" it and took the tackle, no-one here would've thought "Ah fu(k he should've "Flicked" it to RTS!" Both of 'em where a step away from the sideline for crying out loud. Both wingers had blinders, Berry's back soon'ish but I love just how he'll have to earn his spot back the way our Team's played.

Get that one Up ya Tevaga!

His time will come

For sure.
Makes it way more fun. The banter.
Getting fined for that bottle throw when there was absolutely no Malice in it - ref needs to pull his head in

Good we’re laughing at Jazz and not the other way round. Makes the win so much sweeter.

I guess you missed Jazz talking mad shit during the week, as well as during the game?

All in the spirit of the game - lighten up Frank

 

[Kav1]

That Healey try was a pearler

Ed gave a faultless display on the left wing; even helped in setting up a try when his opposite dropped the ball. Even the commentator mentioned him as having a good game (maybe a good backup if any of our top grade are injured)

 

[Neo]

Ed gave a faultless display on the left wing; even helped in setting up a try when his opposite dropped the ball. Even the commentator mentioned him as having a good game (maybe a good backup if any of our top grade are injured)

I didn’t see the game but stats say he had 5 errors?

 

[Kav1]

I didn’t see the game but stats say he had 5 errors?

Who had less than 5? No one is perfect in a game of rugby league

 

[Inruin]

I didn’t see the game but stats say he had 5 errors?

Poor Ed tries hard but it seems even when he tries to do the right thing it ends up being the wrong thing. Goes for a big hit and ends up accidently knocking the ball on while making the tackle giving a 6 again....

 

[Neo]

Poor Ed tries hard but it seems even when he tries to do the right thing it ends up being the wrong thing. Goes for a big hit and ends up accidently knocking the ball on while making the tackle giving a 6 again....

Yeah I was wondering how he managed to get to 5. That’s not a good look. Even Reece Walsh the other night when everything went wrong for him only managed to get to 4

 

[Kav1]

Poor Ed tries hard but it seems even when he tries to do the right thing it ends up being the wrong thing. Goes for a big hit and ends up accidently knocking the ball on while making the tackle giving a 6 again....

OK but he is bagged by all and sundry on this forum. I want to say something positive about the guy; after all he is a Warrior

 

[Wrighty]

We had Addin and co getting us into the opposition 20 and even with SJ would make poor attacking plays.

In round one this year we couldn't make metres against a bully pack of Raiders.

In round two we ascended in the forward battle and our mid tier halves pulled their water pistol triggers and we won.

I think this is relevant to your post

I will give you multiple choice of responses and you can pick the one that works for you as I can go in different directions in response to this:

a) I think if I triangulate your response, which is definitely relevant to my post, with the points I raised, then where we land is that Meters per set is very important. But meters per set will go to waste if you can't convert your opportunities in the red zone like we couldn't last year. No one knows for sure if SJ was playing hurt or if simply Father Time caught up with him but he was definitely completely ineffective all year except the last game against the Sharks. So while in my post I said running metres are not all that important i probably need to retract that and say they are definitely important while still maintaining my point that Rugby League is a complex game and you need to optomise on at least 5 or 6 KPIs in order to win games with total running metres or meters per set only being one of those KPIS. And the implication of it only being one of those KPIS is that you can win if you other KPIS are high enough to compensate. So trade offs from last year from losing Addin's probably best in the NRL PCMS to gaining JHHs probably best in the NRL middle third defence are very important points to make when assessing what we have lost and gained from a running metres perspective from last year.

b) OR a second answer I can give which is completely different is to say let's consider the 2024 Indigenous vs māori All Stars match. Now I don't have the stats in front of me but I watched the game closely and the team lists back up my points; so for arguments sake let's go with my summary as follows:
The māori had bar far and away the best forwards and during the match easily rumbled up to the 60 or even 65 mark on their sets. While the Indigenous had by far and away the best backs.
I knew this going into the match so I wanted to know who would win as there would be valuable rugby league lessons to learn. What happens when you match up team A with gun forwards vs Team B with gun backs and both are relatively weak in the other area.
The result was Indigenous won. They got less chances yet converted those few that came, but importantly they also scored some long range tries that came despite some rather average carries by their forwards in the same set.
Lesson I personally got from is that the KPI of red zone conversion rate is more important than the KPI of forwards running metres or meters per set.
A team of good backs will beat a team of good forwards despite the old adage that footy games are won up front. Although of course this is a long bow to draw from just one data set being one game notwithstanding that I have seen this play out obviously with the warriors last year with a budget back line and multiple $800K forwards.
Point B would back up my assertion that our loss of running metres this year is not all that important to our chances of winning. However I caveat that by saying exactly how much running metres we have given up is very important and had we not upgraded of Clark at lock instead of Jazz then maybe the degrees of the trade off change and maybe we are 2 losses and 0 wins right now and maybe this is a different conclusion we are reaching. So it is not a simple black and white rule but also depends on the amount of the trade off and in the case of the indigenous just how much worse were their forwards and while they were not as good as the māori they weren't terrible. Which was important to the indigenous win.

c) Just to give you a third response reply to pick from is to say thank you for your rebuttal. I liked your points and thought they were very germane.

 

[Wrighty]

Is English your second language?

it’s pretty clear when I read it

Can you repeat your post please as I can't understand your grammar you just used.


(Joke - just kidding)

 

[Beastmode]

Can you repeat your post please as I can't understand your grammar you just used.


(Joke - just kidding)

It wasnt funny the first time

 

[Inruin]

OK but he is bagged by all and sundry on this forum. I want to say something positive about the guy; after all he is a Warrior

Fair enough but you also can't gloss over the reality either. He is making basic errors that he needs to get out of his game and quickly if he wants to continue playing at a high level

 

[miket12]

It wasnt funny the first time

You’ll have to forgive Wrighty….. he only started watching league recently

 

[Beastmode]

You’ll have to forgive Wrighty….. he only started watching league recently

Well that’s a relief
I thought it was Alzheimer’s

 

[Gods_17]

Swapping Jazz for Clark also means less dumb penalties and errors in the ruck. Did my head in the number of times last year we'd be dominating the ruck in the first 20 minutes and then a dumb Jazz error/penalty relieves the pressure and changes the momentum of the game against us. Also don't understand why Manly played Jazz at hooker-it never worked during his stint with us.

After manly dealt to the cows, Seibold kept the same team save for Koula. Started Jazz at hooker and told the team to follow his leadership, haha. I just wish Metcalf had a look to his left before he scored his try. Brilliant!

 

[run_it_str8_again]

I will give you multiple choice of responses and you can pick the one that works for you as I can go in different directions in response to this:

a) I think if I triangulate your response, which is definitely relevant to my post, with the points I raised, then where we land is that Meters per set is very important. But meters per set will go to waste if you can't convert your opportunities in the red zone like we couldn't last year. No one knows for sure if SJ was playing hurt or if simply Father Time caught up with him but he was definitely completely ineffective all year except the last game against the Sharks. So while in my post I said running metres are not all that important i probably need to retract that and say they are definitely important while still maintaining my point that Rugby League is a complex game and you need to optomise on at least 5 or 6 KPIs in order to win games with total running metres or meters per set only being one of those KPIS. And the implication of it only being one of those KPIS is that you can win if you other KPIS are high enough to compensate. So trade offs from last year from losing Addin's probably best in the NRL PCMS to gaining JHHs probably best in the NRL middle third defence are very important points to make when assessing what we have lost and gained from a running metres perspective from last year.

b) OR a second answer I can give which is completely different is to say let's consider the 2024 Indigenous vs māori All Stars match. Now I don't have the stats in front of me but I watched the game closely and the team lists back up my points; so for arguments sake let's go with my summary as follows:
The māori had bar far and away the best forwards and during the match easily rumbled up to the 60 or even 65 mark on their sets. While the Indigenous had by far and away the best backs.
I knew this going into the match so I wanted to know who would win as there would be valuable rugby league lessons to learn. What happens when you match up team A with gun forwards vs Team B with gun backs and both are relatively weak in the other area.
The result was Indigenous won. They got less chances yet converted those few that came, but importantly they also scored some long range tries that came despite some rather average carries by their forwards in the same set.
Lesson I personally got from is that the KPI of red zone conversion rate is more important than the KPI of forwards running metres or meters per set.
A team of good backs will beat a team of good forwards despite the old adage that footy games are won up front. Although of course this is a long bow to draw from just one data set being one game notwithstanding that I have seen this play out obviously with the warriors last year with a budget back line and multiple $800K forwards.
Point B would back up my assertion that our loss of running metres this year is not all that important to our chances of winning. However I caveat that by saying exactly how much running metres we have given up is very important and had we not upgraded of Clark at lock instead of Jazz then maybe the degrees of the trade off change and maybe we are 2 losses and 0 wins right now and maybe this is a different conclusion we are reaching. So it is not a simple black and white rule but also depends on the amount of the trade off and in the case of the indigenous just how much worse were their forwards and while they were not as good as the māori they weren't terrible. Which was important to the indigenous win.

c) Just to give you a third response reply to pick from is to say thank you for your rebuttal. I liked your points and thought they were very germane.

It's just basic measures in my analysis.

There are definitely complexities in winning a game, some games, enough games to win a premiership.

We aren't exactly my idea of rich in x factor though the young brigade are encouraging as in the two on the bench and seeing Taine dance. But to be fair that didn't entirely impress me as X factor. The X factor is more like how you described the indigenous team's back line. Things such as the ability to break the line a tackle or two tacklers and bust through to offload to a supporting fast bloke. Or fast enough to skin your opponent one on one and go long range.

It's an interesting topic but I don't do deep statistical analytics for fun. Thanks for being that guy.

 

[run_it_str8_again]

It wasnt funny the first time

I agree. But the second one. That was funny

 

[Wah's Up]

Just re-watched the game with a clear feed.
Never heard so many "Surrender" calls in a game ever. 90% against us.
Tuapiki absolutely destroyed the seagulls after his try.
Clark is the buy of the season.
Manly were just grubs and ref defend them, boys overcame the bias and got better with every score.
Jake is one of the best players in the NRL, if he was a Warrior he would be penalised of the park.
I trust Webby to get us back to 23 standard and make the "FOUR"

 

[CWC]

Not sure you can put RTS in there currently - 180m average after 2 games, 4.5 tackle busts a game, 2 line breaks and 2 tries. Plenty of go forward.

So far he's looked elite imo. Still early days tho.

It's quite funny looking at the difference in him playing centre last year and wing this year. He looked a fish out of water at times, and with his big price tag he was underperforming so probably had a bit more pressure on him.
This year he looks more comfortable, and while the price tag is still there he's able to play that roll well, so there's a fair bit of value for the team.

I think he'll finish the year with 15-20 tries and loads of running meters and tackle busts

Put it this way, Monty would have fallen on top of Pompey instead of sprinting at an angle and score a crucial try. Roger was quite threatening from our own half too, and no opposition has tried kicking behind him yet or decided against it, we are definitely seeing an upgrade in that position

Wonder if they will try bombs to Roger this year, SJ tucked it away after the Titans scored a long range try from a bomb to Roger in that 666 game

Btw love seeing Monty all fired up with another Panthers ex-coach, hope his family is doing well