Everyone keeps stating that but can’t never justify it.
When was the last top junior we developed? Probably SJ in 2011? Probably the next two best were I-Pap and Katoa who have succeeded at other clubs.
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Everyone keeps stating that but can’t never justify it.
Shit thats damning when u think about it eh- over 10 years and I cant think of anyone.When was the last top junior we developed? Probably SJ in 2011? Probably the next two best were I-Pap and Katoa who have succeeded at other clubs.
Is there a link there, I cant read it.What would justify it in your mind? For example I’m pretty sure I could find articles from people like Phil Gould that describe this - would that do it?
As others have said, we’ve had juniors with potential over the last 10 years, thrown them in the deep end and they never reached their potential.Everyone keeps stating that but can’t never justify it.
Who got "thrown in the deep end"?As others have said, we’ve had juniors with potential over the last 10 years, thrown them in the deep end and they never reached their potential.
Mate I’m not trying to argue, I was just asking what if any source on that you would accept/ privilege. It seems like a hard thing to objectively establish.Is there a link there, I cant read it.
As for Gould, if he is the messiah Who Cannot Be Wrong, you must agree with him over his recent comments on TMM right?
ANY would be a good startMate I’m not trying to argue, I was just asking what if any source on that you would accept/ privilege. It seems like a hard thing to objectively establish.
Hingano, Joe Vuna, Perham, Turner, Otukolo & Vailea were 20 or younger when they debuted. All got spat out fairly quickWho got "thrown in the deep end"?
Was that because they were rushed or because they werent any good?Hingano, Joe Vuna, Perham, Turner, Otukolo & Vailea were 20 or younger when they debuted. All got spat out fairly quick
Shit thats damning when u think about it eh- over 10 years and I cant think of anyone.
We're all big on leka, laban and sifakula now but remember when benry, marque taylor and ikahihifo was gonna be our backrow for the next 10 years....
Hope we can get it right this time around.
Hingano, Joe Vuna, Perham, Turner, Otukolo & Vailea were 20 or younger when they debuted. All got spat out fairly quick
On the other hand, the Tigers have the least experienced and youngest top 30 and are dead last.100% agree.
Other teams have started young kids and they have cleaned up.
Negativity never wins
Don't think we ever will, they will stay in Union.I don't think we will ever be able to look at our junior programme and declare that it is working until we produce a genuine tactical half. That seems like a long way away.
We appear to have backed the wrong cattle because none have succeeded. But is that because they didn’t have the talent or the club wasn’t getting them where they needed to be?We have chosen to back the wrong cattle. With the builds and athleticism of the guys we are chasing now, it seems that the penny has dropped.
Laumape had a much better all round game IMO. He may not have stood out as much because he didn't provide the highlight reel plays like Hurrell which fans scream about but he had much better fitness, defence, footy smarts in a team going through coaches at a spectacular rate. It wasn't surprising to see he went that well in a more professional system.We appear to have backed the wrong cattle because none have succeeded. But is that because they didn’t have the talent or the club wasn’t getting them where they needed to be?
We didn’t have the technical coaches; our playing leadership group led the red bull saga; our lower level coaches targeted size over skill.
Interesting success example: Laumape. Went onto All Blacks after leaving us. He didn’t stand out as any better or worse than Hurrell or Kata from around the same time frame. A good coach in union just got the best out of him.
My gut is due to a lack of technical coaches, a lack of junior pathways, the massive canyon between the amount of league an Aussie experiences (playing and studying) growing up compared to a Kiwi, and backing big-arsed players who knock age group players over rather than guys with the boring foundations and a more athletic/sustainable frame.We appear to have backed the wrong cattle because none have succeeded. But is that because they didn’t have the talent or the club wasn’t getting them where they needed to be?
We didn’t have the technical coaches; our playing leadership group led the red bull saga; our lower level coaches targeted size over skill.
Interesting success example: Laumape. Went onto All Blacks after leaving us. He didn’t stand out as any better or worse than Hurrell or Kata from around the same time frame. A good coach in union just got the best out of him.
The thing is, from what I've read & heard someone like cooper cronk was never a first choice natural half. Bellamy set him a task to learn to be one & he did that because cronk had the other attributes needed. What I'm saying is the naturals, the instinctive ones still have to be challenged and taught as much as the cronks of the world to learn the role properly and apply themselves & thats all about aptitude, attitude and commitment.I don't think we will ever be able to look at our junior programme and declare that it is working until we produce a genuine tactical half. That seems like a long way away.
100%. Ive found this to be true across several professionsThe thing is, from what I've read & heard someone like cooper cronk was never a first choice natural half. Bellamy set him a task to learn to be one & he did that because cronk had the other attributes needed. What I'm saying is the naturals, the instinctive ones still have to be challenged and taught as much as the cronks of the world to learn the role properly and apply themselves & thats all about aptitude, attitude and commitment.
Find those guys and develop them. The once a generation half we all hope for will benefit from the same development pathway .
Sometimes its so hard to know when and where the great halves will emerge. Using the Melbourne Storm example I thought one of Brodie Croft or Ryley Jacks would become elite halves but neither kicked on, yet look at where Jahrome Hughes came from and how much he's grown into such a force at the same club under the same coach.The thing is, from what I've read & heard someone like cooper cronk was never a first choice natural half. Bellamy set him a task to learn to be one & he did that because cronk had the other attributes needed. What I'm saying is the naturals, the instinctive ones still have to be challenged and taught as much as the cronks of the world to learn the role properly and apply themselves & thats all about aptitude, attitude and commitment.
Find those guys and develop them. The once a generation half we all hope for will benefit from the same development pathway .