Team List Titans v Warriors - [Round 25, 2025]

[xWarrior]

Barnett was the real leader of the team not JFH.
JFH has been disappointing.

 

[Tookey 2.0]

Barnett was the real leader of the team not JFH.
JFH has been disappointing.

He had maybe the worse game I can remember him having over the weekend, but aside from that, how so?

He's down a bit with running meters. Averaged 127 last year, taking out his injury affected game this year he's at about 112 this year.
Similar minutes, tackles, and errors as last year, with his penalties significantly higher this year (the joys of playing for the Warriors I guess?).
Obviously not saying he's carried us to the top 4, but our team has been much better than it was last year with him included, so what actually is it that has you disappointed?

 

[Sammyw]

He had maybe the worse game I can remember him having over the weekend, but aside from that, how so?

He's down a bit with running meters. Averaged 127 last year, taking out his injury affected game this year he's at about 112 this year.
Similar minutes, tackles, and errors as last year, with his penalties significantly higher this year (the joys of playing for the Warriors I guess?).
Obviously not saying he's carried us to the top 4, but our team has been much better than it was last year with him included, so what actually is it that has you disappointed?

this. people need to manage expectations, JFH was never a like for like with AFB, AFB dwarfs JFH statistically, its the intangibles, worth ethic and standards that come with JFH. hes been fine. Barnett is our premier frontrower.

 

[tajhay]

He had maybe the worse game I can remember him having over the weekend, but aside from that, how so?

He's down a bit with running meters. Averaged 127 last year, taking out his injury affected game this year he's at about 112 this year.
Similar minutes, tackles, and errors as last year, with his penalties significantly higher this year (the joys of playing for the Warriors I guess?).
Obviously not saying he's carried us to the top 4, but our team has been much better than it was last year with him included, so what actually is it that has you disappointed?

HIs onfield output is lower than Jackson Ford, with less negative stats though.

Player Comparison

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Considering the difference in stature and contract value, has he provided the value on the field?

 

[Tookey 2.0]

HIs onfield output is lower than Jackson Ford, with less negative stats though.

Player Comparison

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Considering the difference in stature and contract value, has he provided the value on the field?

Yeah I deffo get where you're coming from. If you're looking specifically at on field numbers then no, he has not provided value.

My point was that Fish's last few years have been very similar stats wise, so imo expecting him to come over here and make 200m and 50 tackles a game may leave a few people disappointed....

And of course we can't just talk about on field performance as the only driver. Fish's work ethic and mana appears to have rubbed off on the club as a whole, and we're currently sitting in 4th place despite having our two best players injured for half the season. I know it's hard determine how much of that has been because of JFH, but I dunno, I feel it's a bit unreasonable to say he's been disappointing this season. Below par with meters maybe, but imo that's about as much as you can say

 

[JustVisiting82]

Similar minutes, tackles, and errors as last year, with his penalties significantly higher this year (the joys of playing for the Warriors I guess?).

To be fair, we're the second least penalised team this year so he probably can't blame that stat on playing for the Warriors.

 

[Wah's Up]

Barnett was the real leader of the team not JFH.
JFH has been disappointing.

While I 100% agree with you, Fish's value off the field and the pride and Mana he is instilling in the young guy's can not be underestimated.
While his stats don't match Phone Brake, his influence is positive compared to AFB who was a negative influence on the team.
Barnett is the best by far but the others all have a part to play and watching social media they are such a close knit and happy bunch.

 

[sup42]

Sorry, Im just not seeing this kicking game of Boyds that everyone talks about....for me he has been disappointing since his debut.

I would have had TMM at 7 and Healey at 14. But actually play Healey for middle 3rd and give Wade some bench time in to get fresh for the finals run.....TMM had 23 minutes at 7 before he got knocked out so is a risk but his creativity is so much better than Boyds.

Warriors 8+

Well, since our kick chase has been absolute rubbish and our Six hasn't been offering much of a foil on the last, it is a bit impossible to get a read on the kicking game.

 

[Ryno 2.0]

While I 100% agree with you, Fish's value off the field and the pride and Mana he is instilling in the young guy's can not be underestimated.
While his stats don't match Phone Brake, his influence is positive compared to AFB who was a negative influence on the team.
Barnett is the best by far but the others all have a part to play and watching social media they are such a close knit and happy bunch.

You could argue that the off field influence also translates to on field performance though especially from the younger core Vaumaga, TSS, Halasima, Laban.

I am sure we will see JFH step up his game especially in the finals as well, he knows what it takes to win a premiership.

 

[tajhay]

To be fair, we're the second least penalised team this year

haha yeah....not talked about enough especially with the consistent conspiracy that the refs are out to get us.

 

[Mr Drag]

Barnett was the real leader of the team not JFH.
JFH has been disappointing.

Every time I watch the Press Conference Webby looks twice the size of Fish!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imVoWrW0Hsg

 

[Tookey 2.0]

Every time I watch the Press Conference Webby looks twice the size of Fish!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imVoWrW0Hsg

Webby for a late season debut you reckon?

 

[Beastmode]

haha yeah....not talked about enough especially with the consistent conspiracy that the refs are out to get us.

Refs are just smarter than the average sheep

Why give penalties when repeat sets and dubious awarded tries achieves the same results?

 

[Beastmode]

Every time I watch the Press Conference Webby looks twice the size of Fish!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imVoWrW0Hsg

Looks like a scared kid on detention about to get the whip from the headmaster Webby

 

[Christchurch_Warrior]

Refs are just smarter than the average sheep

Why give penalties when repeat sets and dubious awarded tries achieves the same results?

Yeah but the stats are not showing that either. To be noted this is round 1 - 14 this year.

Penalties/set restarts above average by referee and team discipline update - The Rugby League Eye Test

Following on from last week’s mid-season advanced statistic leaders, I thought being halfway through the season it would be a good time to have a look at discipline statistics league wide. Thankfully we’re on the other side of the early season high shot crackdown so things are relatively back to...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

 

[Piltdown Man]

Refs are just smarter than the average sheep

Why give penalties when repeat sets and dubious awarded tries achieves the same results?

In the spirit of “Fanning The Conspiracy Flames” I wonder what our ratio of penalties to send-offs and suspensions is?

 

[CWC]

Fish has a spiritual/holistic influence on the team but league scientists still haven’t got a measure for this

Anyway since his arrival we’ve been in the top 4 80% of the time

 

[Beastmode]

Yeah but the stats are not showing that either. To be noted this is round 1 - 14 this year.

Penalties/set restarts above average by referee and team discipline update - The Rugby League Eye Test

Following on from last week’s mid-season advanced statistic leaders, I thought being halfway through the season it would be a good time to have a look at discipline statistics league wide. Thankfully we’re on the other side of the early season high shot crackdown so things are relatively back to...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

That doesn’t track when and on what count the 6 agains are awarded

Doggies game was a classic example
First half the dogs receiving numerous 6 agains late in the count killed us

We got 2-3 continuous from the ref near the end on the 1st count to even up the stats

 

[CWC]

Every time I watch the Press Conference Webby looks twice the size of Fish!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imVoWrW0Hsg

Webby’s into 3 years into our kiwi fish’n chips

 

[Bay39er]

Interesting that the only game without a advertised ref, according to list on NRL.com is ours

Surely they’re not going to slip in Kasey B at the last minute!!