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[Tohu’s_Knees]

What makes him a despot? Is it the stories we are told by the media or have you lived in Syria previously..

Well off the top of my head….

Multiple examples of use of chemical weapons used on civilian targets.
The intentional targeting of hospitals particularly in Aleppo.
An encyclopedia of examples of his army using “barrel bombs”(which are really just homemade bombs which the media gave a “scary name”) on civilians areas.
The persecution of opposition groups without cause or trial. Some of them thrown in jail for decades or executed.
Collective punishment…….

No I have never lived nor been to Syria.

Are you going to suggest that all those things are lies?

 

[Brightman]

Are you going to suggest that all those things are lies?

Where are the weapons of mass destruction..

What you have said is a point of view, a narrative repeated many times of other countries leaders by the media that the US has to invade to make it to their liking. It just happens to coincide neatly at this time that Israel and the US can benefit greatly and I suspect Turkiye too. Just a coincidence that these "rebels/moderate ISIS/al qaeda" invaded regions of Syria near US military bases or US allies such as Jordan and Turkiye.

So why did the US let terrorists take over another country..

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Well off the top of my head….

Multiple examples of use of chemical weapons used on civilian targets.
The intentional targeting of hospitals particularly in Aleppo.
An encyclopedia of examples of his army using “barrel bombs”(which are really just homemade bombs which the media gave a “scary name”) on civilians areas.
The persecution of opposition groups without cause or trial. Some of them thrown in jail for decades or executed.
Collective punishment…….

No I have never lived nor been to Syria.

Are you going to suggest that all those things are lies?

While some of these may or may not be true, have we not learnt lessons from Saddam and Gaddafi?

Hard men rulers may not be to the wests liking, but if those crimes make Assad a despot worthy of overthrow, what does that make Netanyahu?

Plus as we later learned, Saddam gassing the Kurds was arranged and facilitated by the US

 

[Worried2Death]

So why did the US let terrorists take over another country..

You mean HTS? Go on then, why did they

 

[Hardyman's Yugo]

What makes him a despot?

Nurse!!

 

[watcher]

The US backed these Al Queda rebels and gave them a more palatable name. How can you fight an ideology in one country and support it in anoth


Syria's major problem is thst its major export is not cabbages and wanting to control it.

Can someone please enlighten me how Syria is a secutity threat to the US

 

[Tohu’s_Knees]

While some of these may or may not be true, have we not learnt lessons from Saddam and Gaddafi?

Hard men rulers may not be to the wests liking, but if those crimes make Assad a despot worthy of overthrow, what does that make Netanyahu?

Plus as we later learned, Saddam gassing the Kurds was arranged and facilitated by the US

Ok, I get it.
Are we going down the….. USA lied (they did) about weapons of mass destruction and invaded Iraq (the invasion was straight up illegal) therefore everything that comes out of the middle east (or anywhere) that’s geopolitical related can’t be true?

Obviously, it all deserves scrutiny. They’re two separate things.

Bashar Al-Assad absolutely DID deserve to be overthrown.
The PROBLEM…… is that it was a bunch of filthy terrorists who did it.

I honestly can’t believe that western media would rather celebrate a “win” over Vladimir Putin than raise concern that a bunch of terrorists (sorry rebels) now control Syria. (That “concern” is slowly filtering through now, priorities of course)

People like Netanyahu, George Bush, Tony Blair, Vladimir Putin are all war criminals. Nothing is ever going to be done about it.

*SHOCK* the “rules based order” (whatever that even means) is selectively applied.

 

[watcher]

The rules based order is what US foreigb policy is at any given time.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Ok, I get it.
Are we going down the….. USA lied (they did) about weapons of mass destruction and invaded Iraq (the invasion was straight up illegal) therefore everything that comes out of the middle east (or anywhere) that’s geopolitical related can’t be true?

Obviously, it all deserves scrutiny. They’re two separate things.

Bashar Al-Assad absolutely DID deserve to be overthrown.
The PROBLEM…… is that it was a bunch of filthy terrorists who did it.

I honestly can’t believe that western media would rather celebrate a “win” over Vladimir Putin than raise concern that a bunch of terrorists (sorry rebels) now control Syria. (That “concern” is slowly filtering through now, priorities of course)

People like Netanyahu, George Bush, Tony Blair, Vladimir Putin are all war criminals. Nothing is ever going to be done about it.

*SHOCK* the “rules based order” (whatever that even means) is selectively applied.

While I agree with your latter assessment, you completely misunderstood my point.

It’s not about whether the actions in the ruler justified their removal, it’s whether the deaths of millions of civilians after that fact was objectively worse than leaving them in power.

It’s a study in utilitarianism.

 

[Tohu’s_Knees]

While I agree with your latter assessment, you completely misunderstood my point.

It’s not about whether the actions in the ruler justified their removal, it’s whether the deaths of millions of civilians after that fact was objectively worse than leaving them in power.

It’s a study in utilitarianism.

If you’re saying that the terrorists could/will be worse than Assad. I’d say there’s a very good chance (probably) of that being the case.

The West just stood by, encouraging it. Just so they could have a laugh at the Russians I suspect.
Turns out, the Russians are probably going to keep their bases after all. After a bit of renegotiation.

A bit of revenue and official recognition never hurt anyone. Especially not terrorist groups that want to be governments.

 

[Brightman]

The West just stood by, encouraging it. Just so they could have a laugh at the Russians I suspect.

Israel and the US facilitated this so they can break the recently realigned relations between Syria, Iran, Lebanon Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
On a few months ago these countries patched up their differences and financed Assad to restructure Syria after years of instability thanks to US meddling (read attempted coup)..

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Israel and the US facilitated this so they can break the recently realigned relations between Syria, Iran, Lebanon Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
On a few months ago these countries patched up their differences and financed Assad to restructure Syria after years of instability thanks to US meddling (read attempted coup)..

More recently the embarrassment of military losses in Ukraine has embarrassed al lot of important people. A lot of weapons manufactures have been exposed for selling junk. I would bet serious money that this is an attempt to change the direction of the Ukraine war

 

[dean]

More recently the embarrassment of military losses in Ukraine has embarrassed al lot of important people. A lot of weapons manufactures have been exposed for selling junk. I would bet serious money that this is an attempt to change the direction of the Ukraine war

Are the two theatres that closely linked?
Is Russia really that weak?
I've had a feeling that Russia could have won the war anytime but for some reason conduct it differently.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Are the two theatres that closely linked?
Is Russia really that weak?
I've had a feeling that Russia could have won the war anytime but for some reason conduct it differently.

Wars are just a set of problems that need to be solved. like paper scissors rock. armour beats troops, air beats armour, AA beats air, troops beat AA and so on and so. We want to introduce the required amount of problem sets to overwhelm the enemy. the invasion of Kursk is a prime example of Ukraine trying to add another problem set.

The theatres are intrinsically linked through the participant; Russia and resources as always are finite. Not a case of Russia being weak, but a country only has so many supporting assets like intelligence surveillance and etc. Everytime you go up the chain, there's less people responsible for decisions, so at the top, the Syrian conflict would double the workload.

Russia made the decision to withdraw to concentrate on Ukraine, which is probably very bad for Washington and Kiev. Russia is working through a very strict ROE. They could level all of Ukraine tomorrow, but they genuinely consider it part of Russia.

 

[miket12]

MrFrankWhite, with all the noise about the western media, in your experience from time in the ME, could these be mass graves outside of the Sednaya Prison? And surely it's not possible to determine if these graves were executed prisoners from this photo.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

MrFrankWhite, with all the noise about the western media, in your experience from time in the ME, could these be mass graves outside of the Sednaya Prison? And surely it's not possible to determine if these graves were executed prisoners from this photo.

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Geospatial analysis and image intelligence is an art that I'm not that good at. Could be a gravesite, maybe its a normal one? Plus 2011 is 13 years ago. I'm sure the state executed a few people. But TBH these are like a Rorschach test; everyone sees what they want to

 

[MrFrankWhite]

This guy is a member of Israel’s ruling party.


View: https://x.com/dd_geopolitics/status/1865926983651373293?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

 

[BabylonPink]

Its going to make it hard for Iran.
Turks will try to destroy the Kurds.
Israel has already taken a big wack of land. Hezbollah will be isolated from land. Russia's bases are very isolated now.
its all very interesting.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

View: https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1866320923223003586?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

 

[watcher]

Another way to describe the takeover is colonisation.