Post Match Raiders v Warriors - [Round 1, 2025]

[Riz]

Any decent podcasts with guys who will shred the team rather than kiss ass?

You'd be Dutchies #1 fan over on the Warriors Waffle. I think the Hindmarsh report would be right up your alley.

 

[run_it_str8_again]

I will begin with the same caveat I always do. I personally believe in key turning points in a game while others believe every moment is important and you can't pinpoint it down to one factor, one player, or certainly one play...so if you are in that latter camp please skip my post as it won't resonate with your paradigm for match analysis.

The turning point for me was CNK being penalised for kicking his leg out into Horsborough while taking a good leaping catch and getting penalised. I think they might have scored off the next set. The impact was profound on CNK who is in my mind a confidence player. He lost his fledgling confidence (fledgling because he had a bad year last year yet hard worked hard in the pre season to bounce back) and then he screwed the pooch over compensating on a bomb in the second half by not leaping at all and gave up a back breaking try.
Then he dropped his lip and didn't even attempt to tackle a raider who broke into the backfield and he conceded another try that Tuapiki or RTS would have stopped and then he spiralled even further by getting in the way in the Red Zone attacks and ruining things.
Can he bounce back - or is this it. His confidence is now gone for his career. He was out of form all season. Bounced back well in the pre season trials and then got his confidence knocked around in game one.
For the first twenty minutes of the game he was ok. For the last 60 minutes after the Horsborough penalty his play was that of the worst fullback in the NRL first grade by some distance.
A good coach does man to man management. This is on Webster to either get CNK right in the head or alternatively put TMM at fullback next game.

I've said that CNK looks cooked for the fullback role. Put him in centre or as stop gap 6. Other than that, I'm happy to let him go.

 

[Inruin]

would love to but I don’t do social media like that for safety.

So no Frank Inruin poddy then?

I even gave you top billing

 

[Damo]

I've said that CNK looks cooked for the fullback role. Put him in centre or as stop gap 6. Other than that, I'm happy to let him go.

Correct me if I'm wrong, he's off contract end of year?

 

[snake77]

I re watched the Replacements on the weekend. In the movie, there is a scene where the coach asks "What do you fear on the field?"
When they get to a serios answer Keaunu Reeves character says "Quicksand"

Basically, making a mistake or a bad decision and trying to rectify it and things get worse and worse as the game gets on and you struggle to get out of it.

Some of that could be applied to this game. We struggled in the middle at the start, and couldn't defend the first raid into our 20 so we got behind. The middle struggles make it harder for our halves who outsides and guys start pushing passes etc.

The coaching probably had the same issue. The changes made before kick-off didn't work out. A good argument could be made they kept the starters on too long. A lot was made of the quick surface. Getting some replacements on earlier could have helped halt the Raiders momentum.

To be honest, replacing an experienced half like Johnson we could see a bit of this. I like listening to Matty Johns and Cooper Cronk break down halve and game management will often mention noticing how much energy your team is exerting or when they are struggling and finding a way to give them a rest or spending some sets getting back into the contest.

 

[Makasene]

The way it appears is there is space for only one if the below in the 17

Bunty
Ale
Ford
Healey?

I'm at a complete loss re: Ford.

If you want him to start at prop just pick Bunty. Him starting completely fucked the subs.

 

[juju]

The way it appears is there is space for only one if the below in the 17

Bunty
Ale
Ford
Healey?

I'm at a complete loss re: Ford.

If you want him to start at prop just pick Bunty. Him starting completely fucked the subs.

What was going through Websters head with that one.

The Raiders would of been loving Ford's extended minutes.

 

[Wrighty]

Correct me if I'm wrong, he's off contract end of year?

CNK is signed for 2025, 2026 and 2027

2025 NRL Signings Tracker: DCE to depart Manly; Knights release Pryce

Daly Cherry-Evans will depart Manly at season's end while Francis Molo will join the Dolphins and the Knights have released Will Pryce.

www.nrl.com

 

[Makasene]

What was going through Websters head with that one.

The Raiders would of been loving Ford's extended minutes.

It was nonsensical.

We lost a top two yardage prop in AFB and responded by shifting our NSW prop to 13.

Middle is middle they say but there is a difference.

The balance is all wrong. Clarke should start at 13.

Barnett off for Demetric
Clarke off for Walker
JFH off for Leka

It can't be that hard. Someone said we didn't even use all 8 subs. Wtf?

 

[Makasene]

CNK is signed for 2025, 2026 and 2027

2025 NRL Signings Tracker: DCE to depart Manly; Knights release Pryce

Daly Cherry-Evans will depart Manly at season's end while Francis Molo will join the Dolphins and the Knights have released Will Pryce.

www.nrl.com

Don't think that's right mate.

That's a major extension and not one I recall being announced

 

[Damo]

Don't think that's right mate.

That's a major extension and not one I recall being announced

I believe that was mixed up with DWZs extension.

Three barrelled names and all that.

 

[Wrighty]

It was nonsensical.

We lost a top two yardage prop in AFB and responded by shifting our NSW prop to 13.

Wasn't his highest accolade that he was a Kangaroo prop?

 

[Wrighty]

I believe that was mixed up with DWZs extension.

Three barrelled names and all that.

Zero tackle FWIW also has him recorded for that contract length

Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad

Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad of New Zealand Warriors player profile including contract information, NRL news, stats and rumours.

www.zerotackle.com

Not my fault anyway if i am wrong !!!!

 

[snake77]

I've seen it mentioned a few times and also on the radio this morning that it was our worst round 1 loss.

In 2013 we lost to the Eels 40-10.

Sure we scored two points more but we also conceded 10 more points. Yes, yesterday was bad but it was more the side was struggling and the same side kept scoring. A few of the tries like the intercept is one of those things or the CNK bomb knock on which is something you don't often see. Most weeks it probably would have hit the attackers hand instead of leg and been a double knock-on.

That Eels game I remember our defence getting run-ragged with tries coming at a quicker rate (haven't compared). It was 7 tries vs the Raiders 5.

I know it is comparing apples and orange or Eels and Raiders. But I remember in 2014 we got lined up against the Eels again and our discussion was about the NRL lining us up for another hiding.

 

[#robbiemears]

What a disaster! Webby's deep-seated need to be liked seems to be clouding his judgement and rendering him unable to make tough calls. At the same time, he's locked in a conservative rut with no capacity for deep reflection or re-invention. Meanwhile, some of the players were reported to be out beyond midnight on match eve and Agar's alleged behaviour has put Cameron George in an unenviable position. The Warriors 'brand' may be flying, but how long will Robbo and Cam put up with the boring style of footy Webster has instilled. With the SG Ball team heading for the spoon, and recent recruitment decisions from Cappy questionable, what all seemed so bright and full of promise just 18 months ago, now feels like it has completely derailed. Again.

 

[Wrighty]

What a disaster! Webby's deep-seated need to be liked seems to be clouding his judgement and rendering him unable to make tough calls. At the same time, he's locked in a conservative rut with no capacity for deep reflection or re-invention. Meanwhile, some of the players were reported to be out beyond midnight on match eve and Agar's alleged behaviour has put Cameron George in an unenviable position. The Warriors 'brand' may be flying, but how long will Robbo and Cam put up with the boring style of footy Webster has instilled. With the SG Ball team heading for the spoon, and recent recruitment decisions from Cappy questionable, what all seemed so bright and full of promise just 18 months ago, now feels like it has completely derailed. Again.

Robbie your takes always prove prophetic. You were right about Nathan Brown for example from day one. Should we persevere with Webster? Will he come good? What is your take on him? Does he have it?

 

[Christchurch_Warrior]

What a disaster! Webby's deep-seated need to be liked seems to be clouding his judgement and rendering him unable to make tough calls. At the same time, he's locked in a conservative rut with no capacity for deep reflection or re-invention. Meanwhile, some of the players were reported to be out beyond midnight on match eve and Agar's alleged behaviour has put Cameron George in an unenviable position. The Warriors 'brand' may be flying, but how long will Robbo and Cam put up with the boring style of footy Webster has instilled. With the SG Ball team heading for the spoon, and recent recruitment decisions from Cappy questionable, what all seemed so bright and full of promise just 18 months ago, now feels like it has completely derailed. Again.

Not doubting you but where is this reported? Want to read as some of our players played like they were out all night. In saying that I have known some guys who been out all night before a game and played 80 minutes and just smashed it.

 

[Beastmode]

Any decent podcasts with guys who will shred the team rather than kiss ass?

Doubtful

Most don’t want to risk burning bridges

It will have to come from fans like yourself not afraid to ask the tough questions

 

[Woofa]

Crazy money, another 450k and we can get Cleary!

Lets swap Capewell, Niukore, Ford and throw in Charnze too (he is a legend though) for Cleary and top up $500k.. Id be stoked with that deal.
Him, Hazelton, NAS and a new 'non cuddles' non 'loyal at any costs' coach (please come back Ivan) and we might make the 8.. FFS lol

 

[Wrighty]

Not doubting you but where is this reported? Want to read as some of our players played like they were out all night. In saying that I have known some guys who been out all night before a game and played 80 minutes and just smashed it.

WARRIORS FALL FOR SIN CITY

Teams can go looking for reasons why they lost a game, but the Warriors shouldn’t have to dig too deep.

The Tackle witnessed a couple of things during the week that had us concerned.

On Tuesday night (local time), a group of six Warriors players were gambling on the casino floor past 9pm.

We’re not suggesting they were breaking rules or doing anything illegal, but it was a strange look during a game prep.

On match eve, another group of players attended the Kevin Hart show at Resorts World, which didn’t finish until midnight.

The Warriors were the last team to arrive in the US, touching down last Saturday, and might not have got Vegas fever out of their system early enough.

Their performance was disappointing given the huge Wahs contingent in the crowd, which was probably the biggest supporter base.

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