Post Match Raiders v Warriors - [Round 1, 2025]

[Wahs_Ultras]

Any decent podcasts with guys who will shred the team rather than kiss ass?

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I think the bro Levon is part of the forum. Live every monday and tuesday night

 

[run_it_str8_again]

Look on the bright side

Getting exposed so badly in rd1 will hopefully make Webby realise his model isnt going to work.

I’m confident he will make the necessary adjustments by rd 5 to give more playing time to the rookies.

I am in no doubt now this year is a development year for them.

The old cattle need to be phased out

5 players - Egan, RTS,,Capewell, Ford and Marata

Oh yeah CHT and LM in the halves doesn’t work for me

He half moved by naming and playing Demetric and Leka. Starting them is a huge step for Webby that will take some ballbags to take.

Egan was my pick for a phase out last year but only because of head knock accumulation. And that hasn't changed for me. He's here so keep him till his wheels fall off. They're only wobbly at the moment.

I'm ok on Capewah staying.

Ford, I'm happy to release or to NSW cup you go. He's ok as a depth guy at best unless he gets feral by next week.

Marata. He looks trim. But his value is back in the middle. I'd only use him as bench prop at best. Might have to hang out with Fordy in cup.

I'd keep Roger on the wing. And lose or move Charnze. He looks cooked for the fullback role in the modern game.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

It’s obvious to me that bland key attacking players (Ford, Capewell, etc) doesn’t work with rookie halves and a fullback that doesn’t inject himself.

There is simply no threat. ITS NEVER GOING TO WORK.

2024 coming up all over again. Surprise us Webster!

 

[run_it_str8_again]

It’s obvious to me that bland key attacking players (Ford, Capewell, etc) doesn’t work with rookie halves and a fullback that doesn’t inject himself.

There is simply no threat. ITS NEVER GOING TO WORK.

2024 coming up all over again. Surprise us Webster!

I was too caught up in our shithouse defence that I hardly noticed if we had runners hitting gaps which was key in 23 when SJ was hitting the runners in holes left right and centre.

Without rewatching the horrors of yesterday I safely assume we had hardly any organised runners hitting holes.

 

[Wrighty]

I will begin with the same caveat I always do. I personally believe in key turning points in a game while others believe every moment is important and you can't pinpoint it down to one factor, one player, or certainly one play...so if you are in that latter camp please skip my post as it won't resonate with your paradigm for match analysis.

The turning point for me was CNK being penalised for kicking his leg out into Horsborough while taking a good leaping catch and getting penalised. I think they might have scored off the next set. The impact was profound on CNK who is in my mind a confidence player. He lost his fledgling confidence (fledgling because he had a bad year last year yet hard worked hard in the pre season to bounce back) and then he screwed the pooch over compensating on a bomb in the second half by not leaping at all and gave up a back breaking try.
Then he dropped his lip and didn't even attempt to tackle a raider who broke into the backfield and he conceded another try that Tuapiki or RTS would have stopped and then he spiralled even further by getting in the way in the Red Zone attacks and ruining things.
Can he bounce back - or is this it. His confidence is now gone for his career. He was out of form all season. Bounced back well in the pre season trials and then got his confidence knocked around in game one.
For the first twenty minutes of the game he was ok. For the last 60 minutes after the Horsborough penalty his play was that of the worst fullback in the NRL first grade by some distance.
A good coach does man to man management. This is on Webster to either get CNK right in the head or alternatively put TMM at fullback next game.

 

[Riz]

Any decent podcasts with guys who will shred the team rather than kiss ass?

You'd be Dutchies #1 fan over on the Warriors Waffle. I think the Hindmarsh report would be right up your alley.

 

[run_it_str8_again]

I will begin with the same caveat I always do. I personally believe in key turning points in a game while others believe every moment is important and you can't pinpoint it down to one factor, one player, or certainly one play...so if you are in that latter camp please skip my post as it won't resonate with your paradigm for match analysis.

The turning point for me was CNK being penalised for kicking his leg out into Horsborough while taking a good leaping catch and getting penalised. I think they might have scored off the next set. The impact was profound on CNK who is in my mind a confidence player. He lost his fledgling confidence (fledgling because he had a bad year last year yet hard worked hard in the pre season to bounce back) and then he screwed the pooch over compensating on a bomb in the second half by not leaping at all and gave up a back breaking try.
Then he dropped his lip and didn't even attempt to tackle a raider who broke into the backfield and he conceded another try that Tuapiki or RTS would have stopped and then he spiralled even further by getting in the way in the Red Zone attacks and ruining things.
Can he bounce back - or is this it. His confidence is now gone for his career. He was out of form all season. Bounced back well in the pre season trials and then got his confidence knocked around in game one.
For the first twenty minutes of the game he was ok. For the last 60 minutes after the Horsborough penalty his play was that of the worst fullback in the NRL first grade by some distance.
A good coach does man to man management. This is on Webster to either get CNK right in the head or alternatively put TMM at fullback next game.

I've said that CNK looks cooked for the fullback role. Put him in centre or as stop gap 6. Other than that, I'm happy to let him go.

 

[Inruin]

would love to but I don’t do social media like that for safety.

So no Frank Inruin poddy then?

I even gave you top billing

 

[Damo]

I've said that CNK looks cooked for the fullback role. Put him in centre or as stop gap 6. Other than that, I'm happy to let him go.

Correct me if I'm wrong, he's off contract end of year?

 

[snake77]

I re watched the Replacements on the weekend. In the movie, there is a scene where the coach asks "What do you fear on the field?"
When they get to a serios answer Keaunu Reeves character says "Quicksand"

Basically, making a mistake or a bad decision and trying to rectify it and things get worse and worse as the game gets on and you struggle to get out of it.

Some of that could be applied to this game. We struggled in the middle at the start, and couldn't defend the first raid into our 20 so we got behind. The middle struggles make it harder for our halves who outsides and guys start pushing passes etc.

The coaching probably had the same issue. The changes made before kick-off didn't work out. A good argument could be made they kept the starters on too long. A lot was made of the quick surface. Getting some replacements on earlier could have helped halt the Raiders momentum.

To be honest, replacing an experienced half like Johnson we could see a bit of this. I like listening to Matty Johns and Cooper Cronk break down halve and game management will often mention noticing how much energy your team is exerting or when they are struggling and finding a way to give them a rest or spending some sets getting back into the contest.

 

[Makasene]

The way it appears is there is space for only one if the below in the 17

Bunty
Ale
Ford
Healey?

I'm at a complete loss re: Ford.

If you want him to start at prop just pick Bunty. Him starting completely fucked the subs.

 

[juju]

The way it appears is there is space for only one if the below in the 17

Bunty
Ale
Ford
Healey?

I'm at a complete loss re: Ford.

If you want him to start at prop just pick Bunty. Him starting completely fucked the subs.

What was going through Websters head with that one.

The Raiders would of been loving Ford's extended minutes.

 

[Wrighty]

Correct me if I'm wrong, he's off contract end of year?

CNK is signed for 2025, 2026 and 2027

2025 NRL Signings Tracker: Knowles to reunite with Woolf; Eels lock in Moses

The Dolphins have announced the signing of England international Morgan Knowles, while Eels superstar Mitch Moses has signed a monster contract extension.

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[Makasene]

What was going through Websters head with that one.

The Raiders would of been loving Ford's extended minutes.

It was nonsensical.

We lost a top two yardage prop in AFB and responded by shifting our NSW prop to 13.

Middle is middle they say but there is a difference.

The balance is all wrong. Clarke should start at 13.

Barnett off for Demetric
Clarke off for Walker
JFH off for Leka

It can't be that hard. Someone said we didn't even use all 8 subs. Wtf?

 

[Makasene]

CNK is signed for 2025, 2026 and 2027

2025 NRL Signings Tracker: Knowles to reunite with Woolf; Eels lock in Moses

The Dolphins have announced the signing of England international Morgan Knowles, while Eels superstar Mitch Moses has signed a monster contract extension.

www.nrl.com

Don't think that's right mate.

That's a major extension and not one I recall being announced

 

[Damo]

Don't think that's right mate.

That's a major extension and not one I recall being announced

I believe that was mixed up with DWZs extension.

Three barrelled names and all that.

 

[Wrighty]

It was nonsensical.

We lost a top two yardage prop in AFB and responded by shifting our NSW prop to 13.

Wasn't his highest accolade that he was a Kangaroo prop?

 

[Wrighty]

I believe that was mixed up with DWZs extension.

Three barrelled names and all that.

Zero tackle FWIW also has him recorded for that contract length

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Not my fault anyway if i am wrong !!!!

 

[snake77]

I've seen it mentioned a few times and also on the radio this morning that it was our worst round 1 loss.

In 2013 we lost to the Eels 40-10.

Sure we scored two points more but we also conceded 10 more points. Yes, yesterday was bad but it was more the side was struggling and the same side kept scoring. A few of the tries like the intercept is one of those things or the CNK bomb knock on which is something you don't often see. Most weeks it probably would have hit the attackers hand instead of leg and been a double knock-on.

That Eels game I remember our defence getting run-ragged with tries coming at a quicker rate (haven't compared). It was 7 tries vs the Raiders 5.

I know it is comparing apples and orange or Eels and Raiders. But I remember in 2014 we got lined up against the Eels again and our discussion was about the NRL lining us up for another hiding.

 

[#robbiemears]

What a disaster! Webby's deep-seated need to be liked seems to be clouding his judgement and rendering him unable to make tough calls. At the same time, he's locked in a conservative rut with no capacity for deep reflection or re-invention. Meanwhile, some of the players were reported to be out beyond midnight on match eve and Agar's alleged behaviour has put Cameron George in an unenviable position. The Warriors 'brand' may be flying, but how long will Robbo and Cam put up with the boring style of footy Webster has instilled. With the SG Ball team heading for the spoon, and recent recruitment decisions from Cappy questionable, what all seemed so bright and full of promise just 18 months ago, now feels like it has completely derailed. Again.