General Is the Metcalf experience to halves over?

[roguei]

Hughes was already a gun swapping between FB & HB. Fogarty had the basics on lock. Keary had the footy nous already.
Metcalf is only a year younger than Cleary!!
How long do we wait ? He is a running 6. Not a organising , playmaking 7. We can keep on painting him as one , But the paint will eventually wear off.

You can be happy with a mediocre halves pairing and coming 12th every year until he comes right ? Not I!

> Hughes was already a gun swapping between FB & HB
No he wasn't. He was avarage at best at the titans. The storm slowly made him into the great half he is, same thing they've done to katoa.
> Fogarty had the basics on lock
100% agree.
> Keary had the footy nous
I don't know what that means.

> Metcalf is only a year younger than Cleary!!
> How long do we wait ? He is a running 6. Not a organising , playmaking 7. We can keep on painting him as one , But the paint will eventually wear off.
Metcalf has played 4 games at halfback. 30 games in total for the NRL... Cleary has played 177 at haflback and 177 games in total for the NRL. Not counting rep games. You make the false assumption that years existing on earth == exprence playing in the NRL. Which is just not true.
Metcalf is a rookie.
Metcalf has played 3 less games than kosi. 43 less than CHT. 19 more than Ali and Demetric.


Edit: My numbers are from the NRL site, so they are all off by 1. i.e metcalf has played 5 at halfback, cleary at 178.

 

[roguei]

As a 7 he should really be judged on TAs and LBAs - Tries are good too but not really the corner stone of what he should be contributing. I know that you know that and thanks for your stat. Overall 3 tires and two TAs in 5 games stacks up pretty good.

Oh yeah of course. And those LBAs and LBs need to be put up against other halves to get a fair idea stat wise on where he is at.

 

[The Warrior Waka]

> Hughes was already a gun swapping between FB & HB
No he wasn't. He was avarage at best at the titans. The storm slowly made him into the great half he is, same thing they've done to katoa.
> Fogarty had the basics on lock
100% agree.
> Keary had the footy nous
I don't know what that means.

> Metcalf is only a year younger than Cleary!!
> How long do we wait ? He is a running 6. Not a organising , playmaking 7. We can keep on painting him as one , But the paint will eventually wear off.
Metcalf has played 4 games at halfback. 30 games in total for the NRL... Cleary has played 177 at haflback and 177 games in total for the NRL. Not counting rep games. You make the false assumption that years existing on earth == exprence playing in the NRL. Which is just not true.
Metcalf is a rookie.
Metcalf has played 3 less games than kosi. 43 less than CHT. 19 more than Ali and Demetric.

All that is just noise. Until he proves to me that he is a genuine halfback. And he is not. Some players you can tell have it.He is a running 6 that can chip in and help the 7 out occasionally. At almost 27 that rookie tag should be flushed down the toilet.

His major weapon is speed & footwork. He should play FB or 6. He is lost most the time when in the opposition half. I'll give him til the end of the year, Like i said. I am not sold on Luke yet. We can't keep experimenting with him at 7 beyond that, If he hasn't made the jersey his own.

 

[John Nick]

All that is just noise. Until he proves to me that he is a genuine halfback. And he is not. Some players you can tell have it.He is a running 6 that can chip in and help the 7 out occasionally. At almost 27 that rookie tag should be flushed down the toilet.

His major weapon is speed & footwork. He should play FB or 6. He is lost most the time when in the opposition half. I'll give him til the end of the year, Like i said. I am not sold on Luke yet. We can't keep experimenting with him at 7 beyond that, If he hasn't made the jersey his own.

All that is on Webster

 

[John Nick]

Oh yeah of course. And those LBAs and LBs need to be put up against other halves to get a fair idea stat wise on where he is at.

More importantly the forward packs up front. I would like to see the stats on Cleary this year v. previous years

 

[roguei]

All that is just noise. Until he proves to me that he is a genuine halfback. And he is not. Some players you can tell have it.He is a running 6 that can chip in and help the 7 out occasionally. At almost 27 that rookie tag should be flushed down the toilet.

His major weapon is speed & footwork. He should play FB or 6. He is lost most the time when in the opposition half. I'll give him til the end of the year, Like i said. I am not sold on Luke yet. We can't keep experimenting with him at 7 beyond that, If he hasn't made the jersey his own.

To your first bit. I guess we'll agree to disagree mate. I think rookies are based off of games played vs age. I also think the game is moving more towards running 7s like hughes over standard halfs. As seen via storm's success and the final between storm and panthers. Where cleary and luai had to play like hughes to win, and both ran over 200m. Even gus went on to predict that the future 7 and 6s will be coming from fullbacks.

 

[The Warrior Waka]

To your first bit. I guess we'll agree to disagree mate. I think rookies are based off of games played vs age. I also think the game is moving more towards running 7s like hughes over standard halfs. As seen via storm's success and the final between storm and panthers. Where cleary and luai had to play like hughes to win, and both ran over 200m. Even gus went on to predict that the future 7 and 6s will be coming from fullbacks.

And Metcalf will be one of those ex fullbacks to 6 tho lol. Agree to disagree bro, Not sold on Metcalf at 7. Time will tell tho. Plenty of time to make me eat my hat.

 

[roguei]

And Metcalf will be one of those ex fullbacks to 6 tho lol.

Damn made me eat my own words there

 

[mrblonde]

The only dig I've got against Luke at this point is he's not anywhere near good enough to be our goalkicker. Obviously that didn't cost us the game today, but another 4 points - which Luke should have nailed - would have been nice. Always said nothing would piss me off more than missing out on Top 8/Top 4 on Points Differential and being able to nail that difference down to having a shit goalkicker.

 

[Inruin]

The only dig I've got against Luke at this point is he's not anywhere near good enough to be our goalkicker. Obviously that didn't cost us the game today, but another 4 points - which Luke should have nailed - would have been nice. Always said nothing would piss me off more than missing out on Top 8/Top 4 on Points Differential and being able to nail that difference down to having a shit goalkicker.

If that was CHT today there surely would have been comments about his mental fortitude or what not

 

[roguei]

The only dig I've got against Luke at this point is he's not anywhere near good enough to be our goalkicker. Obviously that didn't cost us the game today, but another 4 points - which Luke should have nailed - would have been nice. Always said nothing would piss me off more than missing out on Top 8/Top 4 on Points Differential and being able to nail that difference down to having a shit goalkicker.

I think people are giving it a pass not only because of how badly we lost. But also because of the amazing kicking last game. It'd be a totally different story if either of those were false. But it was pretty bad this, and we have both pompey and TT who can goal kick...

 

[Gods_17]

Afoa 8, Barnett 10, Berry 4, Boyd 7, Capewell 16, CHT 14, Clark 13, Demi 11, Egan 9, Harper 2, Healey 18, Laban 15, Leiataua 3, Leka 12, Met'carve 6, Niukore 17, Pompey 5, Tuaupiki 1.

11 and 12 Starts. Prepare them for the finals, fu(k norm of blooding in youngsters, they're Ready! 16 and 17 can take a seat, they have to muster up more than enough to prove that they're better!

The ponies won't know what hit 'em.

 

[Gods_17]

Afoa 8, Barnett 10, Berry 4, Boyd 7, Capewell 16, CHT 14, Clark 13, Demi 11, Egan 9, Harper 2, Healey 18, Laban 15, Leiataua 3, Leka 12, Met'carve 6, Niukore 17, Pompey 5, Tuaupiki 1.

11 and 12 Starts. Prepare them for the finals, fu(k norm of blooding in youngsters, they're Ready! 16 and 17 can take a seat, they have to muster up more than enough to prove that they're better!

The ponies won't know what hit 'em.

Wrong Thread.

 

[sydneywarrior92]

This thread is such an over-reaction to one tough, admittedly bad, performance. It's not Metcalf's fault that we had our worst completion rate this season and the forwards seemed disinterested in this game. I actually felt that Mets started to run the ball more in this game and that helped create a bit of shape for the first time this year. Was always going to take time to adjust post-SJ. Let's not throw all the baby out with the bathwater- there's been progress in his development apart from this game.

 

[jumpman5xl]

I'd say the next 5 or so games would have alot to say about the future and where and also alot of players lie in the team.
I do think Taines ball playing will help Metcalf out alot as opposed to CNK.
If we manage to knock off a *contender* in the Broncos, there could be something with our spine.

 

[Tookey 2.0]

Also, including Broncos next week that means 5 of the 6 teams we've played would have been in the 8, with Roosters being the other team we've played.

That's by far and away more than any of the rest of the top 8 have played, with most having played 3-4 of the lesser teams. Doggies haven't even played a top 8 team yet. The only top 8 team Broncos have beat are the Tigs.

I still think we're in a good spot, providing we beat the lesser teams when we play them.

 

[Tookey 2.0]

Afoa 8, Barnett 10, Berry 4, Boyd 7, Capewell 16, CHT 14, Clark 13, Demi 11, Egan 9, Harper 2, Healey 18, Laban 15, Leiataua 3, Leka 12, Met'carve 6, Niukore 17, Pompey 5, Tuaupiki 1.

11 and 12 Starts. Prepare them for the finals, fu(k norm of blooding in youngsters, they're Ready! 16 and 17 can take a seat, they have to muster up more than enough to prove that they're better!

The ponies won't know what hit 'em.

Mate I don't think I even know what hit em...what's wrong with your team list?!

Who tf does an alphabetical team list lol

 

[The Warrior Waka]

Mate I don't think I even know what hit em...what's wrong with your team list?!

Who tf does an alphabetical team list lol

Its like scrabble for dyslexics

 

[3rdstriker]

Also, including Broncos next week that means 5 of the 6 teams we've played would have been in the 8, with Roosters being the other team we've played.

That's by far and away more than any of the rest of the top 8 have played, with most having played 3-4 of the lesser teams. Doggies haven't even played a top 8 team yet. The only top 8 team Broncos have beat are the Tigs.

I still think we're in a good spot, providing we beat the lesser teams when we play them.

We're In a good spot until further injuries strike!

 

[Stalefish540]

I forget who said it as just skimmed the whole thread. But Metcalf holding the club ransom for the halfback jersey is certainly an opinion

They obviously have enough trust and or have seen him do stuff at training etc. that they see him hopefully developing into a 7 or they wouldn't be giving him the jersey. Is it translating onto the field at present? Not particularly if we are talking Metcalf alone as a halfback, but we are still winning games with a new halves pairing who only have 100 odd games between them.

The half's market is hot sick atm, and Boyd or TMM are not long term options at least from a rebuild standpoint IMO. Good seasoned stop gap measures that any club would be lucky to be able to call upon no doubt. I'm sure others may see it differently.

If by the end of the season not much has changed and we are 12-14th by all means, but six games in and in the top 8 is peak Warriors forum.