What even is this world? 
Politics 🤡 Donald Trump
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Will Trump pardon everyone involved with ICE on the way out? If so, why is this necessary?
snake77
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It wouldn't surprise me. He pardoned the people from Jan 6th or 7th. I don't know much about ICE, have seen the terrible headlines. So, looking at the past he will cover those that have supported him.
I didn't like the pardoning of the Jan 6th/7th people or on the other side of the isle Biden pardoning his son for everything for such a wide period.
I don't know much about their pardoning system but it seems like a massive get out of jail free card. Especially when you see the number of pardons.
It would be better for situations like this:
- A person has spent years behind bars but recent evidence throws doubt over the case or proves their innocent. Sometimes waiting for the court system is too long.
- People that have a criminal record in the past but have turned their life around. This should depend on the crime and the impact on the victims.
I hope the next elections they have a candidate on both sides of the isle that a competent. As whoever takes over the job has a big job fixing the last 3 election cycles. I don't know much about what Obama achieved locally within America. But worldwide at least we had someone in America who could speak well, seemed to consider the decisions he made etc.
snake77
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A lot of his economics is daft.
They would have had tarriffs before but they all made it seem like it was a magical thing that no one knew about. They though they will have high tarrifs and no taxes. That is a lot to achieve in a couple of years. Also daft as the next government is likely to reverse it all as it likely wouldn't be sustainable. Also dropping the tarriffs would improve relations with other countries. Also better deals for American companies.
The belief that everything will manufactured in America is a fantasy.
A hobby I have the owner of one of the companies went over why it wouldn't work. Yes it is one specific industry but when the intellectual property for the manufacturing has been lost it would take years to build the facilities, train staff etc. Then there is the costs involved.
He designs his products and it is manufactured in China. It is packaged and shipped back for him to sell.
His company is bascially just the sales side. If he brought it inhouse he also becomes a manufactuing/production company which he doesn't want. Plus that is a huge cost to his small company.
To have it like China where multiple companies could be customers of a production company would need a new company created. Again the equipment and skills would be needed. It isn't gauranteed that other companies would take the risk in moving to them. Then there is the risk of starting a new business under changing political conditions.
I've seen Americans post asking about how they pay the tarriff.
As someone overseas who already gets stung by overseas shipping it means a further hit to the wallet or not purchasing something as companies keep lifting prices. Even had emails from companies complaining about the unstable conditions.
Boycott the football world cup indeed.
www.theguardian.com
Trump threatens 25% tariff on European allies until Denmark sells Greenland to US
Heads of state across Europe respond in solidarity with Denmark and Greenland, and boycott of World Cup suggested
Racial lines? What race was Good?
Your statement is a racist post without supporting evidence and i don’t think you can even see it
Umm… your getting confused and just posting rubbish now.
Where is it ever in a libertarian idiology to oppress? A libertarian by its definition is anti oppression. Go find a dictionary and educate yourself.
Better yet. Think for yourself with logic instead of blindly posting propaganda that makes no sense
Noitall
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Barack Obama deported more than any president in the last 3 decades but the difference was those deported were those that broke the law and through a process. Some would argue it’s an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff approach to not stop the crime happening in the first place, but as we’re witnessing that getting American citizens mixed up in this and detained shows the flaw in this approach. You’re right that people were concerned about their borders but if people were told masked enforcement would be able to go from door to door, I bet many would have had concerns about that too
What if the receiving country is directly responsible for causing the issues that destabilise them, good example came up this week with the '53 CIA coup against the Iranian democracy. And the 2014 Ukraine one to some degree. Should they reap what they sow?
I don't know but if this thread is any indication we're getting close to the end of itWhat even is this world?
Not just through political destabilisation, economic and resource theft as well.
Wasn't sure where to post this but seeing Immigration is the hot topic at the moment, thought I would throw it in here.
As of 26/2 the UK is changing the rules around proof of eligibility to enter Britain. Most travelers including Kiwis and Aussies will need an ETA. No big deal.
A problem arises with those have dual citizenship like myself. When we travel later in the year my wife, with an NZ Passport only can enter on an ETA however, myself and a daughter have to enter using our British passports. In other words my NZ passport is redundant for entry to the UK. I let my UK passport expire when Britain left the EU so will have to dust it off and get it renewed to be able to get in. Weird bureaucracy in action.
Just a shout out to those with dual citizenship to be aware. Airlines won't let you get on the plane unless the paperwork is in order. Another interesting point is that the legislation stipulates the carrier is responsible for the legitimacy of entry and therefore will carry the cost of being sent home.
As of 26/2 the UK is changing the rules around proof of eligibility to enter Britain. Most travelers including Kiwis and Aussies will need an ETA. No big deal.
A problem arises with those have dual citizenship like myself. When we travel later in the year my wife, with an NZ Passport only can enter on an ETA however, myself and a daughter have to enter using our British passports. In other words my NZ passport is redundant for entry to the UK. I let my UK passport expire when Britain left the EU so will have to dust it off and get it renewed to be able to get in. Weird bureaucracy in action.
Just a shout out to those with dual citizenship to be aware. Airlines won't let you get on the plane unless the paperwork is in order. Another interesting point is that the legislation stipulates the carrier is responsible for the legitimacy of entry and therefore will carry the cost of being sent home.
Peter Thiel is a libertarian.Umm… your getting confused and just posting rubbish now.
Where is it ever in a libertarian idiology to oppress? A libertarian by its definition is anti oppression. Go find a dictionary and educate yourself.
Better yet. Think for yourself with logic instead of blindly posting propaganda that makes no sense
Step away from Frank, Inruin, X/Twitter, Fox News and NZME and educate yourself
1 - there is always a place and a process for refugees.
2 - why can’t the people with ties to that country stay and rebuild it as a better place?
3 - if the US destabilised a country and the people hate the US for it, why would any go to the US unless that evil IS narrative is in fact incorrect?
4 - why do people would want to go to the US, an anti immigration right wing country?
5 - Shouldn’t they want to go to a country with a similar culture? Or a left wing country that welcomes immigration?
All I hear is how bad the US is on here, surely the illegal immigrants don’t want to be there… Trumps doing them a favour isn’t he according to some of the posters on here?
Wow almost 10% of the population is illegal immigrants. Doesn’t this puts strain of schools, hospitals, sewage systems, parks, etc.
Nothing against immigration but shouldn’t it be planned?
All of which shows how off track you are Wiz. Actually, completely ignorant.
Great debating, really expanded on the conversation in a positive way. I learnt so much from your valuable contribution as you highlighted an alternative viewpoint
