Politics 🤡 Donald Trump

[Worried2Death]

Color TV Blues by the great Don McLean just about sums up my feelings about all this shit.


The kids that fought the war are livin' outta state
And the CIA is runnin' things of late
When we elect a man, we put him on the spot
'cause if he don't play ball, he might get shot
The national security keeps it from the voters
'cause what's good for America isn't good for General Motors

We went and found ourselves some mighty strange lovers
The kind that like to blow from underneath the covers

Well millions can avoid with Dr Sigmund Freud
Those realities of life that tend to make me paranoid
Lookin' for the answer just gives me indigestion
I spent so much time, just dealin' with the question
We'd rather talk of dollars and forget about events
When what we have to decide is; Does it all make sense?

Well everybody's happy, I saw it on the news
But me, I' got a case of color TV blues

You know, just 'cause you're paranoid
Doesn't mean they're not trying t' get ya'

Terrible person, pretty good songwriter.

 

[Worried2Death]

While it is hard to imagine a former President going to Jail, I do believe it is possible.

Mainly due to the multiple serious crimes Trump has committed.

It only takes one judge to do it.

And including this Judge, Trump has to get past four Judges at sentencing.

And as I have been saying about today's case, the more you are convicted of serious crimes (today Trump was convicted of election interference) the more likely you are to eventually run into a custodial sentence.

Consider the Judges Trump is yet to face, they are human beings after all, they will be thinking shit just got real watching this case.

All it takes for Trump to go to jail is one Moral judge who is a believer in justice for all. To say Trump will never see Jail time is to assume that four men and women on the bench will continue to give him passes and soft sentencing one after another despite (likely) being found guilty and being in the court of public opinion over and over again.

As I say, I think the state of Georgia will deal to him.

Aren't those next cases scheduled for after the election? What are the chances of him going to court if he's elected?

 

[Canadian_Warriors_Fan]

Aren't those next cases scheduled for after the election? What are the chances of him going to court if he's elected?

none I think

 

[tyrael]

Aren't those next cases scheduled for after the election? What are the chances of him going to court if he's elected?

Doesn't he just pardon himself if he gets elected?

 

[Cces]

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command...” - George Orwell​

Are you referencing literature written by a democratic socialist about the dangers of capitalist and conservative beliefs system without seeing the irony?

Have you even read the book? The CliffsNotes at least?

 

[Canadian_Warriors_Fan]

Doesn't he just pardon himself if he gets elected?

no as this case was tried in state court not federal court, he would have no jurisdiction.

 

[sup42]

Doesn't he just pardon himself if he gets elected?

He can't pardon himself from State crimes.

 

[Worried2Death]

He can't pardon himself from State crimes.

Can he stack the SC to have them dismiss State charges

 

[j_p]

I think Trumps an idiot, a criminal and shouldn’t be anywhere near office. But:

- I think this case was political - not as a massive conspiracy but people that don’t like him pushed it to happen.

- I don’t understand why this case is a big deal - he paid off this woman (legal) but it was coded ‘illegally’ coded as legal expenses? Is it a big deal??? Why? Sounds like slap on the wrist stuff…

Nail him on the big stuff as this small stuff just gives fuel to his supporters about a big political hitjob.

Brother I know you lean right and may be sympathetic to Trump from your posts but just to give you context, 12 jurors found him guilty on all counts. All they needed was 1 juror to vote not guilty for 1 out of 34 charges to get a not guilty on any of them.

This was the case that legal experts apparently said was going to be hardest to convict out of his 4 upcoming court cases.
Another so called expert said on cnn he's reviewed thousands of similar cases and they all ended up in jail time.
Do I think trump will see the inside of a cell. Keeping low expectations I don't think so, it will be a logistical nightmare. Would any other person in the public eye get away with talking shit about the judge and calling them corrupt after a conviction? Hell no, and they would get the book thrown at them when it comes to sentencing.
I say all that to say it's not out of the realm of possiblity he gets locked up just to send a message but I'm 99.9% sure the worst he'll get is a fine or probation or something similar.

Ps. Research everything I said cause I'm wasted and don't take any responsibility for anything I said

 

[Worried2Death]

Are you referencing literature written by a democratic socialist about the dangers of capitalist and conservative beliefs system without seeing the irony?

Have you even read the book? The CliffsNotes at least?

It's about as offensive as invoking the Nuremberg trials for Adern and Bloomfield during covid, calling them Nazis for public health measures. Or quoting Martin Niemöller "First they came for the journalists..." while cheering on the demise of journalism. Most of them know exactly what they're doing though, ie. always accuse your enemy of what you're doing.

 

[miket12]

Aren't those next cases scheduled for after the election? What are the chances of him going to court if he's elected?

It depends on whether the cases are state or federal and when the cases were to be heard.

If it’s a federal case (such as the documents in the Florida home) that was still on going, the new US attorney general (appointed by Trump) could have the cases abandoned. If the trials had already concluded and he had been found guilty, he would, as President, pardon himself.

His problem is with the Georgia case where he is accused of asking the official to find extra votes. Like the NYC case, the charges have been laid by the State of Georgia and aren’t Federal charges. That case appears to come down to Trump’s motive. Was he asking Georgian officials to simply recount the votes and find enough missed votes to win him the State (as his defense will argue) or was he telling an official to change the result illegally by deciding some votes that were cast for him were deemed to be wrong on election night were instead right, or the some cast for Biden that were deemed on election night to be correct were instead found to be wrong….. yet, none of these votes should change. Or “finding” a box of “lost” ballots…. Which has enough votes for Trump to win the election. It a case of motive…. did Trump only ask that the vote was done correctly or did he ask a Georgian official to fabricate an election result in his favour?

 

[j_p]

It's about as offensive as invoking the Nuremberg trials for Adern and Bloomfield during covid, calling them Nazis for public health measures. Or quoting Martin Niemöller "First they came for the journalists..." while cheering on the demise of journalism. Most of them know exactly what they're doing though, ie. always accuse your enemy of what you're doing.

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Maybe a fallacy in me but I'm trying to figure you out from your posts. By that i don't mean a physical person. Or anything "American Beauty" lanes of thought ways (so don't get scared, please lol). IMHO you're a very wise person and also hilarious as fk in an educated way plus the knowledge you possess which makes me think you're a little bit older but still very in touch with the youth. It's a rear trate to have. If I'm wrong,(which I know I'm not)apologies but you're a good poster.
Edit: Completely forgot my original point. If you ever in Auckland at a nearby bar brother, would love to shout you a beer!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Brother I know you lean right and may be sympathetic to Trump from your posts but just to give you context, 12 jurors found him guilty on all counts. All they needed was 1 juror to vote not guilty for 1 out of 34 charges to get a not guilty on any of them.

This was the case that legal experts apparently said was going to be hardest to convict out of his 4 upcoming court cases.
Another so called expert said on cnn he's reviewed thousands of similar cases and they all ended up in jail time.
Do I think trump will see the inside of a cell. Keeping low expectations I don't think so, it will be a logistical nightmare. Would any other person in the public eye get away with talking shit about the judge and calling them corrupt after a conviction? Hell no, and they would get the book thrown at them when it comes to sentencing.
I say all that to say it's not out of the realm of possiblity he gets locked up just to send a message but I'm 99.9% sure the worst he'll get is a fine or probation or something similar.

Ps. Research everything I said cause I'm wasted and don't take any responsibility for anything I said

I get all that. I get he’s guilty of these charges, I lean right but don’t want a bar of trump.

But what did he really do wrong? An accounting error? Is it in the public interest to go after book keeping errors of insignificant amounts in the scheme of things?

As a not really interested observer the rape case was much more damaging than this irrelevant accounting issue.

Declaration. I sometimes charge private petrol to my company by ‘accident’. Like every other small business owner!

 

[j_p]

I get all that. I get he’s guilty of these charges, I lean right but don’t want a bar of trump.

But what did he really do wrong? An accounting error? Is it in the public interest to go after book keeping errors of insignificant amounts in the scheme of things?

As a not really interested observer the rape case was much more damaging than this irrelevant accounting issue.

Declaration. I sometimes charge private petrol to my company by ‘accident’. Like every other small business owner!

Before i forget, in regards to your declaration. I do that all the time, on purpose and much more. My accountant has me believe it's our God given right, or grey area lol, and I don't feel bad about it at all as I know businesses making 10-100x as much as me do the same.
In regards to Trump, he's a crook and always been 1. The evidence the jury would've seen would've been damning. It may seem like a witch hunt but these cases happen all the time. It's rare a former president is involved in it and brought up but if any other president had similar dealings they would've been done the same if not worse. This is not some Democrat concocted up plan. The cunt is a dodgy fuk and is finally facing the music if any!

 

[MaybeTop8]

Trump has got the 47th Presidency in the bag if he doesn’t get assassinated first

Dems have screwed up big time

This is precisely why fake news, conspiracy theories, misinformation and deliberate disinformation are so insidious. And most of this originates on the far right, which Trump, completely self serving is absolutely aware of.

Free speech? Sure, but you are also accountable to what you say, and the consequences as well.

Promoting conspiracy theories, and engaging with them is also corrosive, and ends up allowing the originator to spread more disinformation, which I'm sure the original poster is well aware of.

Here are some real consequences - the rise of fascism and authoritiarianism. Those on the right tend to go quiet about the actions of those they defend.

Biden says Trump’s claim of rigged trial is ‘dangerous’ and ‘reckless’ in White House speech – as it happened

The president said ‘Donald Trump was given every opportunity to defend himself’ and ‘no one is above the law’. This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[MaybeTop8]

Fox News, and those behind it are a malevolent force actively spreading disinformation. Dangerous times indeed.

 

[miket12]

Fox News, and those behind it are a malevolent force actively spreading disinformation. Dangerous times indeed.

A Fox News anchor, John Roberts, posted on X that the judge had informed the jury that it didn’t need a unanimous verdict to convict Trump and that only four of them needed to find him guilty to convict him on an individual charge. Firstly, that goes totally against US law and secondly the judge told them any verdict needed to be unanimous but it’s been viewed nearly 6 million times andthere will be thousands of Trump supporters who believe it.

Trump and his allies push false account of what the judge told jurors

New York Times: Incorrect information about a non-unanimous verdict was spread.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[MaybeTop8]

A Fox News anchor, John Roberts, posted on X that the judge had informed the jury that it didn’t need a unanimous verdict to convict Trump and that only four of them needed to find him guilty to convict him on an individual charge. Firstly, that goes totally against US law and secondly the judge told them any verdict needed to be unanimous but it’s been viewed nearly 6 million times andthere will be thousands of Trump supporters who believe it.

Trump and his allies push false account of what the judge told jurors

New York Times: Incorrect information about a non-unanimous verdict was spread.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Appalling eh. I don't know what the answer is to this apart from shining sunlight and this lot getting held to account somehow.

We have similar, not quite as extreme (although sometimes they are) outlets of disinformation here - nzme in the form of the zb network (the herald too sometimes), the disinformation reality check radio, Sean Plunket and the Platform - all backed by the right and far right, and with deep pockets.

There are commonalities.

 

[miket12]

Appalling eh. I don't know what the answer is to this apart from shining sunlight and this lot getting held to account somehow.

We have similar, not quite as extreme (although sometimes they are) outlets of disinformation here - nzme in the form of the zb network (the herald too sometimes), the disinformation reality check radio, Sean Plunket and the Platform - all backed by the right and far right, and with deep pockets.

There are commonalities.

I have an ex-brother in law who is an associate professor in Statistics at an Ivy League University in the States. He was one of the heads in the COVID modeling for NYC and NY, NJ and some of the other New England states.

One time when he was in NZ, it was approaching a US presidential election and I asked him who he would be voting for as he’d always voted National in NZ. I was surprised when he said the Democrats as I thought he would have voted for the Republicans. His response was interesting…. American politics is so close to the right of the political spectrum that the Democrats were closer to National.

My wife’s closest friend is an African American lady who was her boss for three years when their company sent her to NZ to be the GM here. Through her role, she met John Key a few times and, when she’d worked in Chicago, went to the same church as the Obama’s and was a volunteer in his first Presidential campaign. She said it didn’t surprise her at all that Barack and Key got on so well… as they were politically very similar.

No wonder the place is so screwed up when there’s not a main stream “left leaning party”.

 

[j_p]

Appalling eh. I don't know what the answer is to this apart from shining sunlight and this lot getting held to account somehow.

We have similar, not quite as extreme (although sometimes they are) outlets of disinformation here - nzme in the form of the zb network (the herald too sometimes), the disinformation reality check radio, Sean Plunket and the Platform - all backed by the right and far right, and with deep pockets.

There are commonalities.

I believe we're both on similar sides of the fence so this could be a little bias but do you think this misinformation stuff became worse since Trump came around?