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Aren't those next cases scheduled for after the election? What are the chances of him going to court if he's elected?
none I think
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Doesn't he just pardon himself if he gets elected?
Are you referencing literature written by a democratic socialist about the dangers of capitalist and conservative beliefs system without seeing the irony?
Have you even read the book? The CliffsNotes at least?
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no as this case was tried in state court not federal court, he would have no jurisdiction.
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Can he stack the SC to have them dismiss State charges
Brother I know you lean right and may be sympathetic to Trump from your posts but just to give you context, 12 jurors found him guilty on all counts. All they needed was 1 juror to vote not guilty for 1 out of 34 charges to get a not guilty on any of them.
This was the case that legal experts apparently said was going to be hardest to convict out of his 4 upcoming court cases.
Another so called expert said on cnn he's reviewed thousands of similar cases and they all ended up in jail time.
Do I think trump will see the inside of a cell. Keeping low expectations I don't think so, it will be a logistical nightmare. Would any other person in the public eye get away with talking shit about the judge and calling them corrupt after a conviction? Hell no, and they would get the book thrown at them when it comes to sentencing.
I say all that to say it's not out of the realm of possiblity he gets locked up just to send a message but I'm 99.9% sure the worst he'll get is a fine or probation or something similar.
Ps. Research everything I said cause I'm wasted and don't take any responsibility for anything I said
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It's about as offensive as invoking the Nuremberg trials for Adern and Bloomfield during covid, calling them Nazis for public health measures. Or quoting Martin Niemƶller "First they came for the journalists..." while cheering on the demise of journalism. Most of them know exactly what they're doing though, ie. always accuse your enemy of what you're doing.
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It depends on whether the cases are state or federal and when the cases were to be heard.
If itās a federal case (such as the documents in the Florida home) that was still on going, the new US attorney general (appointed by Trump) could have the cases abandoned. If the trials had already concluded and he had been found guilty, he would, as President, pardon himself.
His problem is with the Georgia case where he is accused of asking the official to find extra votes. Like the NYC case, the charges have been laid by the State of Georgia and arenāt Federal charges. That case appears to come down to Trumpās motive. Was he asking Georgian officials to simply recount the votes and find enough missed votes to win him the State (as his defense will argue) or was he telling an official to change the result illegally by deciding some votes that were cast for him were deemed to be wrong on election night were instead right, or the some cast for Biden that were deemed on election night to be correct were instead found to be wrongā¦.. yet, none of these votes should change. Or āfindingā a box of ālostā ballotsā¦. Which has enough votes for Trump to win the election. It a case of motiveā¦. did Trump only ask that the vote was done correctly or did he ask a Georgian official to fabricate an election result in his favour?
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I get all that. I get heās guilty of these charges, I lean right but donāt want a bar of trump.Brother I know you lean right and may be sympathetic to Trump from your posts but just to give you context, 12 jurors found him guilty on all counts. All they needed was 1 juror to vote not guilty for 1 out of 34 charges to get a not guilty on any of them.
This was the case that legal experts apparently said was going to be hardest to convict out of his 4 upcoming court cases.
Another so called expert said on cnn he's reviewed thousands of similar cases and they all ended up in jail time.
Do I think trump will see the inside of a cell. Keeping low expectations I don't think so, it will be a logistical nightmare. Would any other person in the public eye get away with talking shit about the judge and calling them corrupt after a conviction? Hell no, and they would get the book thrown at them when it comes to sentencing.
I say all that to say it's not out of the realm of possiblity he gets locked up just to send a message but I'm 99.9% sure the worst he'll get is a fine or probation or something similar.
Ps. Research everything I said cause I'm wasted and don't take any responsibility for anything I said
But what did he really do wrong? An accounting error? Is it in the public interest to go after book keeping errors of insignificant amounts in the scheme of things?
As a not really interested observer the rape case was much more damaging than this irrelevant accounting issue.
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This is precisely why fake news, conspiracy theories, misinformation and deliberate disinformation are so insidious. And most of this originates on the far right, which Trump, completely self serving is absolutely aware of.
Free speech? Sure, but you are also accountable to what you say, and the consequences as well.
Promoting conspiracy theories, and engaging with them is also corrosive, and ends up allowing the originator to spread more disinformation, which I'm sure the original poster is well aware of.
Here are some real consequences - the rise of fascism and authoritiarianism. Those on the right tend to go quiet about the actions of those they defend.
Biden says Trumpās claim of rigged trial is ādangerousā and ārecklessā in White House speech ā as it happened
The president said āDonald Trump was given every opportunity to defend himselfā and āno one is above the lawā. This blog is now closed.
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A Fox News anchor, John Roberts, posted on X that the judge had informed the jury that it didnāt need a unanimous verdict to convict Trump and that only four of them needed to find him guilty to convict him on an individual charge. Firstly, that goes totally against US law and secondly the judge told them any verdict needed to be unanimous but itās been viewed nearly 6 million times andthere will be thousands of Trump supporters who believe it.
Trump and his allies push false account of what the judge told jurors
New York Times: Incorrect information about a non-unanimous verdict was spread.
Appalling eh. I don't know what the answer is to this apart from shining sunlight and this lot getting held to account somehow.A Fox News anchor, John Roberts, posted on X that the judge had informed the jury that it didnāt need a unanimous verdict to convict Trump and that only four of them needed to find him guilty to convict him on an individual charge. Firstly, that goes totally against US law and secondly the judge told them any verdict needed to be unanimous but itās been viewed nearly 6 million times andthere will be thousands of Trump supporters who believe it.
Trump and his allies push false account of what the judge told jurors
New York Times: Incorrect information about a non-unanimous verdict was spread.www.nzherald.co.nz
We have similar, not quite as extreme (although sometimes they are) outlets of disinformation here - nzme in the form of the zb network (the herald too sometimes), the disinformation reality check radio, Sean Plunket and the Platform - all backed by the right and far right, and with deep pockets.
There are commonalities.
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I have an ex-brother in law who is an associate professor in Statistics at an Ivy League University in the States. He was one of the heads in the COVID modeling for NYC and NY, NJ and some of the other New England states.
One time when he was in NZ, it was approaching a US presidential election and I asked him who he would be voting for as heād always voted National in NZ. I was surprised when he said the Democrats as I thought he would have voted for the Republicans. His response was interestingā¦. American politics is so close to the right of the political spectrum that the Democrats were closer to National.
My wifeās closest friend is an African American lady who was her boss for three years when their company sent her to NZ to be the GM here. Through her role, she met John Key a few times and, when sheād worked in Chicago, went to the same church as the Obamaās and was a volunteer in his first Presidential campaign. She said it didnāt surprise her at all that Barack and Key got on so wellā¦ as they were politically very similar.
No wonder the place is so screwed up when thereās not a main stream āleft leaning partyā.
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