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[Rizzah]

Fair Pay Agreements: Leaked Cabinet paper reveals Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden at odds with official advice

Inflation may be a major concern for Luxon but he's now got a new one, leaks.

www.newshub.co.nz

Looks like it could be the end for FPA under this government. Media going to have a busy time fact checking this lot.

This is an incredibly short-sighted decision.
Also, when was the last time a cabinet paper was leaked? Let alone in the first week. Lol.

 

[juju]

Fair Pay Agreements: Leaked Cabinet paper reveals Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden at odds with official advice

Inflation may be a major concern for Luxon but he's now got a new one, leaks.

www.newshub.co.nz

Looks like it could be the end for FPA under this government. Media going to have a busy time fact checking this lot.

Leaks in the first couple weeks of government is not very good sign's for a supposedly strong and stable government is it?

 

[Inruin]

Leaks in the first couple weeks of government is not very good sign's for a supposedly strong and stable government is it?

Not a good look if it has come from the government. Looks more likely it has come from Treasury the way the article is written.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

COP28: New Zealand shamed with 'Fossil of the Day' award over Government repeal of offshore oil exploration ban

The award is presented by the Climate Action Network to countries who are "doing the most to achieve the least".

www.newshub.co.nz

Not our first award here before but the first this early in the summit. Not many good headlines for luxon and the new government currently and worse it sounds like he’s got a leaker in the mix.

We got that award the last 2 years as well under Labour and the Greens

Come on you guys - focus on some real issues.

 

[Noitall]

We got that award the last 2 years as well under Labour and the Greens

Come on you guys - focus on some real issues.

Wasn’t the first award dished out in the past though. There’s spotlight on NZ over there for all the wrong reasons.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Wasn’t the first award dished out in the past though. There’s spotlight on NZ over there for all the wrong reasons.

Let’s think critically about this…

Has anyone ever heard of cop28 before the media latched onto these irrelevant awards?

Do we care that this big climate change event is hypocritically based in the oil dependant and unsustainable Dubai?

Do we care that the cop president is also chief executive of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company?

Do we care the president and host of this year’s summit says that there is “no science” behind the need to phase out fossil fuels.


Do we care that our media has latched onto a 3rd rate joke organisation to create division in our country? While covering that Labour also got the award last year.

Really shows a lot about our media doesn’t it… what was Winston saying about them

 

[Bay39er]

Let’s think critically about this…

Has anyone ever heard of cop28 before the media latched onto these irrelevant awards?

Do we care that this big climate change event is hypocritically based in the oil dependant and unsustainable Dubai?

Do we care the president and host of this year’s summit says that there is “no science” behind the need to phase out fossil fuels.


Do we care that our media has latched onto a 3rd rate joke organisation to create division in our country? While covering that Labour also got the award last year.

Really shows a lot about our media doesn’t it… what was Winston saying about them

If you hadn’t heard of Cop28 and the other 28 Cops before this one then you have been living in splendid isolation.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

If you hadn’t heard of Cop28 and the other 28 Cops before this one then you have been living in splendid isolation.

I honestly thought it was something about meeting targets by 2028 and not that there had been 28 of them…

The isolation has indeed been splendid

 

[Noitall]

Let’s think critically about this…

Has anyone ever heard of cop28 before the media latched onto these irrelevant awards?

Do we care that this big climate change event is hypocritically based in the oil dependant and unsustainable Dubai?

Do we care the president and host of this year’s summit says that there is “no science” behind the need to phase out fossil fuels.


Do we care that our media has latched onto a 3rd rate joke organisation to create division in our country? While covering that Labour also got the award last year.

Really shows a lot about our media doesn’t it… what was Winston saying about them

View: https://www.tiktok.com/@patbrittenden/video/7285529560555244801


Let’s think critically about this, you are trying to defend this guy and give anything he says any credibility after this shameful performance? You can try all you like but there’s no defending what we’re being served up at the moment.

 

[Inruin]

We got that award the last 2 years as well under Labour and the Greens

Come on you guys - focus on some real issues.

Greta hasn't even said anything yet.

'It's funny': Thunberg denounces Ardern for 'not doing anything' on climate crisis

"It's funny that people believe Jacinda Ardern and people like that are climate leaders."

www.google.com

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You can try all you like but there’s no defending what we’re being served up at the moment.

I’m not defending him - he’s a stain on politics.

The media have gone feral against the government though after that which makes me think he hit a nerve

 

[Noitall]

I’m not defending him - he’s a stain on politics.

The media have gone feral against the government though after that which makes me think he hit a nerve

They’ve gone feral about all the shit policy we’re getting.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

They’ve gone feral about all the shit policy we’re getting.

Just returning it to how it was 6 years ago and for the 100 before that.

The bad policies were the ones bough in by Labour that stuffed up our once great country and failed to pass a democratic election.

Chippy started it and Luxon is finishing the job.

 

[Noitall]

Just returning it to how it was 6 years ago and for the 100 before that.

The bad policies were the ones bough in by Labour that stuffed up our once great country and failed to pass a democratic election.

Chippy started it and Luxon is finishing the job.

How narrow minded to think the ability to buy semi automatic firearms again, flout any better health outcomes we might have had around smoking to ease that burden on our health system and to give the main ingredient in methamphetamine over the counter again to those seeking ingredients to cook it is in any way good for us.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

up our once great country

fucking what. NZ has, is and from what I’m seeing will continue to be relatively shit.

Pretty scenery though

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

How narrow minded to think the ability to buy semi automatic firearms again, flout any better health outcomes we might have had around smoking to ease that burden on our health system and to give the main ingredient in methamphetamine over the counter again to those seeking ingredients to cook it is in any way good for us.

They took away my fags, guns and drugs and we said nothing…

But when they took away my gas to BBQ I snapped mate and said just put it all back and leave me alone!

And National NZ First and Act did


And there is a complex deep down truth to this jest, that the shower head mob and Trumps opponents can never understand. Sometimes even when you do the right thing by force to fast you end up pissing to many people off.

 

[dean]

This is an incredibly short-sighted decision.
Also, when was the last time a cabinet paper was leaked? Let alone in the first week. Lol.

Why is it short sighted?
I have only read the newspaper outline of the FPA proposal so I don't know the detail.
At a glance it looks like a return to industry coverage by a Union and with it the right of that Union to negotiate on behalf of workers in that industry.
That is a return to the Award system bargaining. The difference now is that Unions do not have exclusive coverage of workers, voluntary unionism ended that.
Will unions now have as of right to negotiate industry wide agreements for non members and employers are bound to be party to those agreements?
If this is the case it gives Unions quite a lot of power without having to have the membership behind them and will take us decades back in industrial relations.

 

[Noitall]

And there is a complex deep down truth to this jest, that the shower head mob and Trumps opponents can never understand. Sometimes even when you do the right thing by force to fast you end up pissing to many people off.

Who in this are you referring to as doing things by force and too fast in this example?

 

[Noitall]

Smokefree laws: Luxon admits he doesn't know how many lives could be lost by scrapping regulations

The Prime Minister told AM it will be "hard to manage" discriminating between a 35 and 36-year-old in the future about who can or can't smoke.

www.newshub.co.nz

Really interesting in this trade with Bridges that ideas with merit like reducing the nicotine in tobacco won’t even be considered by this government. There’s either identity politics at play where, just not because labour said so sentiment or they have totally been compromised by the tobacco industry.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Who in this are you referring to as doing things by force and too fast in this example?

Labour’s 10 commandments:

- You shall not smoke
- You shall not negotiate your own employment contract
- You shall not understand the name of government departments
- You shall not drive at the roads designed speed
- You shall not have the pain relief you want
- You shall not use any method of travel but public transport
- You shall not use gas
- You shall not have guns
- you shall not own your water
- you shall not have priority access to medicine unless your māori

Religion do gooders try to make us better but they can piss off out of my life and stop telling me what to do as well

I could go on listing 20 more negative controlling examples, but essentially Labour isolated many people by pushing so many changes to fast while we were trying to just survive a pandemic.

Give us our freedom back National, ACT and NZ First and like with trump, the more the media targets what us fed up voters want, the more we will rally behind them