Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

Re your critique of the Auckland city rail loop

The loop unlocks capacity
The capacity to run lots of extra trains
The opportunity to carry more passengers and take cars off Auckland chronically congested roads
Electric trains which can run on renewable energy

Any city of a certain size has an underground loop line Sydney/ Melbourne to name two.

I wouldn’t worry about what accountants are saying but projecting yesterdays revenue numbers

Patronage will exceed their calculators total

Glad to help

I’m actually pro the city loop and half my post was in dismay and jest about the cost and time taken.

The issue and NZ’s big issue is our productivity is killing us. We’re so slow and inefficient at building infrastructure, we end up build half the amount of anyone else at twice the cost. That’s a huge drag on us as a country stopping us getting good stuff everyone else takes for granted. Crippling financially and in lost opportunity.

The loop is going to take 10 years to build, announced in 2013, fully funded in 2015 and still at least a year from being finished… before 6 months commissioning, etc

The $2.86b cost has almost doubled to $5.4b with more cost over runs to come.

I drive through our local Bayfair roadworks which is a couple of Bridges and a roundabout and it’s been going on since 2015 and isn’t finished yet and is double budget. The joke about NZ having more road cones than sheep isn’t so funny when it’s you realise it’s true

 

[Mr Drag]

I’m strongly of the belief technology and ai will solve a lot of the worlds problems around climate change, scientific advancement, enhanced food production and solve poverty to make us all better off. But I see it a long way off and with human nature, as our needs are met, we will just demand more and more and always feel we don’t have enough.

Ai definitely has its advantages - I call on it sometimes at work - but it’s way above my comprehension to fully understand any existential threat. It is scary how much it can ‘understand’ and could potentially outwit us. But like a Pandora’s box, once it’s unleashed is there any way of holding it back?

Personally I don’t worry to much. It’s like with the threat of nuclear war, it’s out of my control so no point stressing to much about it.

How long before Maori call AI racist against Maori!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

How long before Maori call AI racist against Maori!

Already happened bro!

Experts fear AI's influence on te reo Maori

Artificial Intelligence stirs up fears that it's coming for our jobs, our schooling, and even our very existence. Now te reo Maori and data sovereignty experts are raising another red flag - ChatGPT might be getting just a little too good at te reo. They fear that sooner or later the language...

www.rnz.co.nz

Is the growth of AI a threat to MÄori?

www.teaonews.co.nz

 

[Damo]

How long before Maori call AI racist against Maori!

Why the anti-Maori sentiment?

Already happened bro!

Experts fear AI's influence on te reo Maori

Artificial Intelligence stirs up fears that it's coming for our jobs, our schooling, and even our very existence. Now te reo Maori and data sovereignty experts are raising another red flag - ChatGPT might be getting just a little too good at te reo. They fear that sooner or later the language...

www.rnz.co.nz

Is the growth of AI a threat to MÄori?

www.teaonews.co.nz

That is not Maori calling AI racist against Maori?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Why the anti-Maori sentiment?

That is not Maori calling AI racist against Maori?

This one then? Ai will racially profile Maori and arrested more…

I’m more worried about all these new speed cameras profiling us productive people that need to get places in a hurry!

Prejudiced AI systems could result in more MÄori being arrested or falsely accused of crimes, expert warns

Karaitiana Taiuru called policeâs new research programme a positive despite having some reservations.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[Damo]

This one then? Ai will racially profile Maori and arrested more…

I’m more worried about all these new speed cameras profiling us productive people that need to get places in a hurry!

Prejudiced AI systems could result in more MÄori being arrested or falsely accused of crimes, expert warns

Karaitiana Taiuru called policeâs new research programme a positive despite having some reservations.

www.1news.co.nz

Aren't those fair concerns considering it has literally had that problem in the US?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Aren't those fair concerns considering it has literally had that problem in the US?

Well let’s just defer to our resident expert @WarriorBot

Are you racist? Do you discriminate against Maori?

Are you entitled to you use Te Reo, if Maori own data sovereignty over the language and all things Maori?

Do you have the right to do a karakia if it is taonga?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Well that’s convenient - ask the hard questions and he doesn’t want to answer!

 

[juju]

Look at the bafoon's we've install in government.

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

We've been an international laughing stock each day of this government so far - can they keep it up?

 

[juju]

Quite different to the $250 per fornight election bribe isn't it...

At least the coalition has been able to deliver for Landlords, Gun Lobby Groups financed by the NRA & the tobacco industry.

Analysis: Low-income families get up to $38 per week less to close Budget hole

Coalition talks have cost National dearly.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

Quite different to the $250 per fornight election bribe isn't it...

At least the coalition has been able to deliver for Landlords, Gun Lobby Groups financed by the NRA & the tobacco industry.

Analysis: Low-income families get up to $38 per week less to close Budget hole

Coalition talks have cost National dearly.

www.nzherald.co.nz

When you read the coalition agreements its clearly an Act government in drag,

 

[defensivebomb]

Democracy sucks eh

/s

 

[juju]

When you read the coalition agreements its clearly an Act government in drag,

That's the ironic part isn't it - National got the highest votes, have the master negotiator / merger and acquisitions expert, but what policies of theirs have actually been adopted?

 

[juju]

Democracy sucks eh

/s

True - Should have just quoted that every time you have a whinge in this thread the past however many years.

 

[defensivebomb]

True - Should have just quoted that every time you have a whinge in this thread the past however many years.

haha yes fair point. Although there is no evidence of me whinging over the many years

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The new govt has basically removed the government telling us what to do:

The govt won’t decide who smokes, owns gun, what language we speak, what transport to use, etc.

All the people on here complaining that the government isn’t telling us what to do need to reflect on why the last govt was hated so much… the whinging and mock outrage is very entertaining!

Helen Clarke got turfed when they started telling us what shower heads to use as well. I can’t believe some of you are so into communism

 

[MaybeTop8]

Democracy sucks eh

/s

It's not democracy to lie, to not even remotely stick to what you promised, and to shape policy based on your financial backing. Nice trolling though

 

[Damo]

The govt won’t decide who smokes, owns gun, what language we speak, what transport to use, etc.

The only one of these that was true is smoking with it (eventually) being phased out.
You can own a gun, speak any language you want and use whatever transport you want, I have never been forced to do anything against my will.

 

[MaybeTop8]

The new govt has basically removed the government telling us what to do:

The govt won’t decide who smokes, owns gun, what language we speak, what transport to use, etc.

All the people on here complaining that the government isn’t telling us what to do need to reflect on why the last govt was hated so much… the whinging and mock outrage is very entertaining!

Helen Clarke got turfed when they started telling us what shower heads to use as well. I can’t believe some of you are so into communism

It's hard to be polite with any of this.

Fuck everyone else eh, that's the mantra of this government. The cult of the individual, the billionaire, the wealthy.

Who cares about community right? Who cares that the poor are getting reamed again - they're being told what to do. Maori are being told left right and centre what to do by this racist government.

Smoking? Decided through poison and addiction. Guns? Guns are a privilege, not a right. They don't belong in a normal society.

Whinging and mock outrage - you've just described the right for the last 6 years, bullshitting their way very cleverly to power, no facts, backed with wealthy elite money.