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[MaybeTop8]

I'm for mining if it's environmentally responsible. The rising tide lifting all boats allegory is dubious though imo, more often than not the highest boats pull up the ladders and leave everyone else to drown.

Yep. Pretty evident with this government, at least to those who can see the chess board. Or is it checkers? Hard to tell these days.

 

[Worried2Death]

Yep. Pretty evident with this government, at least to those who can see the chess board. Or is it checkers? Hard to tell these days.

I doubt any of us can see the board because the world works on blackmail, kompromat and corruption in the highest echelons of the shadow kingdom, and you have to do heinous crimes to be admitted.
Are we the nut cases?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'm for mining if it's environmentally responsible. The rising tide lifting all boats allegory is dubious though imo, more often than not the highest boats pull up the ladders and leave everyone else to drown.

I met with Santana Minerals a few months back. Employment impact alone will be big & then royalties will be very positive for NZ Inc. - particularly at the current gold price. It’s definitely beneficial for New Zealand.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Yep. Pretty evident with this government, at least to those who can see the chess board. Or is it checkers? Hard to tell these days.

Noughts & crosses in your case.

 

[miket12]

I'm for mining if it's environmentally responsible. The rising tide lifting all boats allegory is dubious though imo, more often than not the highest boats pull up the ladders and leave everyone else to drown.

I'm off the view that mining should never have been allowed to be fast-tracked.... but I also wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.

A number of green energy projects have gotten off the faster since the fast-tracking process came in at the beginning of the year as well as a number of social/cheap housing projects. Interestingly, I assisted another consult with one of the latter a few months ago. Their original RC application had been opposed by KO on traffic generation problems. We ended up supplying more information for a fast-tracked non-RC application than we would have if they had gone back through the standard council RC application process.

Just from one application, but it seems to me that to get an application fast-tracked required more information, but once applied for, the process of getting approval was definitely faster when those checking it are happy they're received all the information they require.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Shifting further right

Government has 'Trumpian accent' - human rights activist

Amnesty International's Agnès Callamard is calling on New Zealand leaders to speak up on world issues, saying "we need you".

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[Worried2Death]

Who let this guy buy Kiwi citizenship, Key? Wonder if Johhny boy will show up in the Epstein files like he did in the Panama Papers.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Who let this guy buy Kiwi citizenship, Key? Wonder if Johhny boy will show up in the Epstein files like he did in the Panama Papers.

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Given this, it's not unlikely.



The establishment is rotten to the core

https://archive.ph/TVOeP

 

[Worried2Death]

The establishment is rotten to the core

Never not been.

 

[Bay39er]

The lefties don’t see it

So in your view all the righties agree that mining should be allowed no matter the environmental consequences?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

So in your view all the righties agree that mining should be allowed no matter the environmental consequences?

Let’s turn it around the other way - do you think all mining should be banned no matter the positive economic consequences?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Let’s turn it around the other way - do you think all mining should be banned no matter the positive economic consequences?

Sure, how about answering the first question?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Sure, how about answering the first question?

Not my question to answer however for every project there obviously needs to be a full evaluation of all costs including environmental & of course the benefits as well.

 

[John Nick]

Let’s turn it around the other way - do you think all mining should be banned no matter the positive economic consequences?

I believe that Oceania mines pay only 2% royalties to the Crown. A mere pittance in the big picture

 

[juju]

Not my question to answer however for every project there obviously needs to be a full evaluation of all costs including environmental & of course the benefits as well.

You think Shane Jones and the fast track process do that? Lol.

The fast track process is more about donors to get back door access and circumvent rigours controls.

A mining royalty of 1 or 2 cents per dollar sent off shore - to wreck one of the countries greatest assets the environment.
Such pathetically back wards way to handle the economic issues we face as a country.

Shane Jones should not be handling this for the country - he is almost shamelessly corrupt and antagonistic about it.

 

[John Nick]

You think Shane Jones and the fast track process do that? Lol.

The fast track process is more about donors to get back door access and circumvent rigours controls.

A mining royalty of 1 or 2 cents per dollar sent off shore - to wreck one of the countries greatest assets the environment.
Such pathetically back wards way to handle the economic issues we face as a country.

Shane Jones should not be handling this for the country - he is almost shamelessly corrupt and antagonistic about it.

Absolutely. Recently he stood up in parliament and proclaimed that bottom trawling in the Hauraki Gulf has little or no effect on the seabed when everyone knows that is absolutely bs.
How he was never challenged by the opposition or media is a mystery

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

So in your view all the righties agree that mining should be allowed no matter the environmental consequences?

Sensible people believe that if a consent is granted the next lot don’t withdraw it.

That uncertainty totally kills investment in NZ and makes us an uninvestible laughing stock that everyone will steer clear of.

It’s nothing to do with mining really.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I met with Santana Minerals a few months back. Employment impact alone will be big & then royalties will be very positive for NZ Inc. - particularly at the current gold price. It’s definitely beneficial for New Zealand.

Countries that embrace foreign expertise, investment and technology that the country can’t provide itself = able to achieve greater than the sum of its parts.

Inward looking people that equate foreign expertise to trickle down = bring out the banjos…

 

[Inruin]

It's almost like some think there has never been mining in NZ before because surely the country wouldn't be as clean and green as it is if there was? Yet many of them will also point to other countries as a success story that have been built off making use of their natural resources....

 

[John Nick]

Countries that embrace foreign expertise, investment and technology that the country can’t provide itself = able to achieve greater than the sum of its parts.

Inward looking people that equate foreign expertise to trickle down = bring out the banjos…

Im not against mining as long as the government does things properly. Overseas countries get up to 50+ % in royalties on sales or profits. My main concern is that Shane Jones is the man in charge and he is not to be trusted. Shonkiest politician ever.