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[wizard of Tauranga]

Being it was one point brought up on the agenda, I guess as people teaching there could be an understanding of what they are supposed to be teaching geographically wise being that the place in question is unrecognised? The union leader mentions it was one topic and government says it was the main topic, watching q and a this morning the union representative mentioned there is a feeling of division trying to be achieved

The ministry of education decides curriculum. You don’t ask an MP in pay negotiations how to teach. Utter union nonsense. Doesn’t matter isle it’s the main topic or not - it simply isn’t relevant and shows the agenda of the unions.

We get strikes every 3 years consistently under Labour and National. Just part of the game and with the unions tied to Labour, of course it’s going to get messier this year.

Far right politics? Nah just typical unionism, which is why every other industry has gotten rid of them.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

It's all of our right to take action.

The government are following the American playbook.

It’s the right of the govt to control spending to around inflation. Why do those striking deserve more than everyone else?

American playbook - the unions are copying the communist playbook!

 

[John Nick]

It’s the right of the govt to control spending to around inflation. Why do those striking deserve more than everyone else?

American playbook - the unions are copying the communist playbook!

Regardless of any one's opinion this should have been sorted a long time ago.
Nats accused Labour of not doing anything and now the same thing happens

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The ministry of education decides curriculum. You don’t ask an MP in pay negotiations how to teach. Utter union nonsense. Doesn’t matter isle it’s the main topic or not - it simply isn’t relevant and shows the agenda of the unions.

We get strikes every 3 years consistently under Labour and National. Just part of the game and with the unions tied to Labour, of course it’s going to get messier this year.

Far right politics? Nah just typical unionism, which is why every other industry has gotten rid of them.

Was about to say there must have been consistent strikes every 2-3 yeas for the last 25 years.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Regardless of any one's opinion this should have been sorted a long time ago.
Nats accused Labour of not doing anything and now the same thing happens

Nah, govt lowballs and unions go over the top and after long painful negotiations they meet in the middle.

If it was settled before strikes I would say the unions haven’t bargained hard enough…

 

[Noitall]

The ministry of education decides curriculum. You don’t ask an MP in pay negotiations how to teach. Utter union nonsense. Doesn’t matter isle it’s the main topic or not - it simply isn’t relevant and shows the agenda of the unions.

We get strikes every 3 years consistently under Labour and National. Just part of the game and with the unions tied to Labour, of course it’s going to get messier this year.

Far right politics? Nah just typical unionism, which is why every other industry has gotten rid of them.

It’s been deciphered that the reasoning for the Palestinian reference was around the educational concerns or lack of which seems reasonable and my hypothetical argument was never any of the reasoning for the reference so ends there since the meeting never went ahead and anything else is just speculation. Like Simeon Brown’s speech the other day that we conversed over, there’s an attempt to vilify any actions that are in consideration which is unfortunate, many I know have had hugely disrupted waiting times with system as it is so blaming their actions for surgeries delayed is happening daily anyway and a cop out. I can only reference a first hand account on my ex wife’s experience again but the nursing union was extremely helpful when the practice she worked for took covid payments but never passed them on

 

[MaybeTop8]

It’s been deciphered that the reasoning for the Palestinian reference was around the educational concerns or lack of which seems reasonable and my hypothetical argument was never any of the reasoning for the reference so ends there since the meeting never went ahead and anything else is just speculation. Like Simeon Brown’s speech the other day that we conversed over, there’s an attempt to vilify any actions that are in consideration which is unfortunate, many I know have had hugely disrupted waiting times with system as it is so blaming their actions for surgeries delayed is happening daily anyway and a cop out. I can only reference a first hand account on my ex wife’s experience again but the nursing union was extremely helpful when the practice she worked for took covid payments but never passed them on

It's the right's playbook - othering. In New Zealand, they mostly haven't gone down the trans path except for the far right in Act, Winnie, and some commenters on these forums, so unions are next in the firing line. They, the right, have to invent an enemy as an excuse to crack down. Bullshit like antifa, except that doesn't exist. So they have to make it up.

Criminalisation of protest is already under way I'm certain.

I can guarantee certain posters on here will fall into line with whatever this government does, regardless of morality.


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[John Nick]

Nah, govt lowballs and unions go over the top and after long painful negotiations they meet in the middle.

If it was settled before strikes I would say the unions haven’t bargained hard enough…

Yeah but that's just you Wiz.
My point is that there has in fact been no " In good faith bargaining ". Luxon needs to step up and get the situation sorted. Unfortunately he seems to be in hiding

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It’s been deciphered that the reasoning for the Palestinian reference was around the educational concerns or lack of which seems reasonable

So you’d be happy for a school to teach that it’s okay for Israel to eliminate the Palestinians? Does that address the “educational concerns”?

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Yeah but that's just you Wiz.
My point is that there has in fact been no " In good faith bargaining ". Luxon needs to step up and get the situation sorted. Unfortunately he seems to be in hiding

Having sat around both sides of the table I can categorically state there is no such thing as good faith in negotiations. Not sure why they always put it in documents as it is a rare commodity.

 

[John Nick]

Having sat around both sides of the table I can categorically state there is no such thing as good faith in negotiations. Not sure why they always put it in documents as it is a rare commodity.

Having sat around both sides of the table I can categorically state there is no such thing as good faith in negotiations. Not sure why they always put it in documents as it is a rare commodity.

My point was that Luxon has been virtually silent and is hiding behind Brown and Collins and Winnie and letting them fight a battle that he was going to sort. Weak leadership is not what is needed right now

 

[Worried2Death]

Helen Andrews just gave a speech thats now an essay that explains whats happening. A lot of commentary happening..

The Great Feminization

In 2019, I read an article about Larry Summers and Harvard that changed the way I look at the world.

www.compactmag.com

Not a great start to the article sympathising with poor Larry Summers the well known Epstein client. I don't buy the feminization thesis yet, food for thought though as there are inherent differences.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Not a great start to the article sympathising with poor Larry Summers the well known Epstein client. I don't buy the feminization thesis yet, food for thought though as there are inherent differences.

Theres zero empathizing with Summers. You are proving her point.

 

[Worried2Death]

Theres zero empathizing with Summers. You are proving her point.

How so?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

How so?

There's zero logical dismantling of her theory, just an appeal to emotion that she's mentioned Larry Summers and since Summers = bad, then this article is also possibly bad.

 

[Worried2Death]

There's zero logical dismantling of her theory, just an appeal to emotion that she's mentioned Larry Summers and since Summers = bad, then this article is also possibly bad.

Possibly bad, surely you don't discount the possibility her theory is flawed or in bad faith?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Possibly bad, surely you don't discount the possibility her theory is flawed or in bad faith?

Of course those are possibilities, but you didn’t address either. You said she empathised with Summers, which is unequivocally false. She said what happened to him changed the way she saw the world.

 

[Worried2Death]

Of course those are possibilities, but you didn’t address either. You said she empathised with Summers, which is unequivocally false. She said what happened to him changed the way she saw the world.

Well I detected some sympathy for him as a victim of the feminization of academia, call me psychic. Strange lead for the article, but I'm coming at it from a rabbit hole, freely admitted.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

My point was that Luxon has been virtually silent and is hiding behind Brown and Collins and Winnie and letting them fight a battle that he was going to sort. Weak leadership is not what is needed right now

Very true, the guy is a charlatan. Be very surprised if he makes it through until October next year but in saying that, there isn't a lot of talent there. Certainly not Willis who is IMO just as bad as her predecessor.
Sad indictment on parliament as a whole with the lack of competency across the board

 

[John Nick]

Very true, the guy is a charlatan. Be very surprised if he makes it through until October next year but in saying that, there isn't a lot of talent there. Certainly not Willis who is IMO just as bad as her predecessor.
Sad indictment on parliament as a whole with the lack of competency across the board

Very true Rick. You and I have seen and dealt with negotiators over the years that would put the current governments to shame. Fuckin pretenders.