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[John Nick]

Jesus wept but you're hard work and you still haven't answered my earlier question, just what were you implying?

Big difference between statutory requirements and bureaucratic red tape. For example our Boiler and Pressure Vessel Regs are some of the toughest in the world. Very very few mechanical failures in plant here that are harmful to personnel. As far as I can see, there is no legislation in the pipeline to reduce statutory requirements.

You are right about this Rick
There are however examples of how compromise works for the betterment of company and employee
None better than POAL .A decent respectful CEO has gotten the attention and respect of his staff
What a difference from the previous piece of...
And profits are up as well. Win win.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

This is the state of the market in Australia as we move away from coal.

 

[Tragic]

Yeah let’s just waltz in & do what Chloe demands… unfortunately decisions like that don’t happen in isolation to other potential consequences. We’re already dealing with a new 15% tariff from our second largest export market who unsurprisingly doesn’t share her opinion, we need to be careful how we move forward on the Israel issue.

Factually that's correct, there are consequences (although aussie don't seem to be getting any yet for their decision) but morally isn't she correct?
It essentially comes down to either standing by and tacitly letting israel/US perform genocide so you don't lose any business or standing up against that knowing their might be economic consequences. It's not hard to know what the right thing to do is.

 

[Tragic]

I am not a Luxon fan but when you look across the political spectrum in NZ there really is no great alternative.
Chippie is irrelevant, Seymour is a snake. Winnie might be better but then you get Shane Jones with him.
Where are the great or even good leaders?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Factually that's correct, there are consequences (although aussie don't seem to be getting any yet for their decision) but morally isn't she correct?
It essentially comes down to either standing by and tacitly letting israel/US perform genocide so you don't lose any business or standing up against that knowing their might be economic consequences. It's not hard to know what the right thing to do is.

Sure however Hamas needs to fuck right off first.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Sure however Hamas needs to fuck right off first.

Uh for that to happen Palestine would need to be formally recognised as a country and allowed an army which is actually a right, unlike the made up right for a country to exist. Otherwise what justification do you have to demand a people remove their only means of self defense?

 

[miket12]

The current government doesn't believe in regulation. Red tape is believe they call it.

In the real world it's called safety, planning, protection, guardrails, common sense for the good of everyone and the environment.

Definitely some that should be looked at.

When you're installing a roof, you're required to have a safety net to (i) prevent the installers falling when there's a danger they might fall more than 3m and (ii) stop roofing material from landing on someone. But, the regulations don't take into account what type of roof is being installed.

Also, the netting isn't required when the trusses, rafters or bracing is being installed but when purlins/battens, roof underlay and roofing materials are being installed.

The problem is that plywood substrates for the likes of torched on materials (i.e. Butynol and other membranes) and under asphalt shingles as its installed as its a form of bracing as will as supporting the cladding so the netting isn't required until the roof finish is applied to the plywood. But why? Installers can't fall through the plywood and nor can the roofing material fall through it. Yet, the builder/developer/owner has to go to the expense of putting in safety netting which serves absolutely no purpose.

And the council building officers know this but it still doesn't stop them issuing fines (up to $4,000... nice additional revenue source for council) and/or shutting projects down until the unnecessary netting is in place and has been inspected/approved by a council official.

Oh, and it's not the government but MBIE through the Acceptable Standards of the Building Code who determine "safety, protection (on building sites) and guardrails"... so those are safe from Seyless's Minister of Cuts.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Uh for that to happen Palestine would need to be formally recognised as a country and allowed an army which is actually a right, unlike the made up right for a country to exist. Otherwise what justification do you have to demand a people remove their only means of self defense?

Well don’t you then just go around in circles? Hamas majority supported?

 

[Rick O’Shay]

I am not a Luxon fan but when you look across the political spectrum in NZ there really is no great alternative.
Chippie is irrelevant, Seymour is a snake. Winnie might be better but then you get Shane Jones with him.
Where are the great or even good leaders?

None that I can see, in fact, it gets more like a 6 ring circus everyday.

 

[miket12]

And people wonder if MBIE might need a shake up... at 11:47AM this morning, I received an email reminding me of a webinar to discuss changes to the Building Code.

Problem is, I never received an invite to it previously and the only one I did receive for a 1 hour long webinar was 47 minutes after it started.

 

[MaybeTop8]

None that I can see, in fact, it gets more like a 6 ring circus everyday.

Chloe

 

[MaybeTop8]

You have completely missed my point then if that's the conclusion you somehow came to

This was your post:

"What a joke of a person and party. If only she put as much effort in to domestic issues rather than foreign matters where she literally doesn't have to do anything but blow wind at. She is a disgrace. The fact she is happy to miss a week of parliament says it all really."

What other conclusion would you have us come to? Juju is 100% correct

 

[MaybeTop8]

Jesus wept but you're hard work and you still haven't answered my earlier question, just what were you implying?

Big difference between statutory requirements and bureaucratic red tape. For example our Boiler and Pressure Vessel Regs are some of the toughest in the world. Very very few mechanical failures in plant here that are harmful to personnel. As far as I can see, there is no legislation in the pipeline to reduce statutory requirements.

What was the purpose of singling out māori here Rick?

Because of course there's a wider context that could also be brought in - poverty, much exacerbated by the policies of this government for example.

Growing homelessness, much exacerbated by the policies of this government for example.

Growing unemployment, much exacerbated by the policies of this government for example.

Growing health costs and service cutbacks, much exacerbated by the policies of this government for example.

You could also single out men for domestic family violence and child abuse., given that men are by far and away the largest perpetrators.

There are many, many angles you can take if you want to.

There's been more than enough casual racism on here many times over, that may not have been the intent, but there's patterns.

 

[MaybeTop8]

View: https://bsky.app/profile/nzdodo.bsky.social/post/3lwam4lof7s2n

 

[MaybeTop8]

And there go our waterways again

View: https://bsky.app/profile/cmdr-unifex.bsky.social/post/3lwapsofak22a

 

[MaybeTop8]

True leadership and integrity


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6oLAzbqoQ

 

[Inruin]

This was your post:

"What a joke of a person and party. If only she put as much effort in to domestic issues rather than foreign matters where she literally doesn't have to do anything but blow wind at. She is a disgrace. The fact she is happy to miss a week of parliament says it all really."

What other conclusion would you have us come to? Juju is 100% correct

Go back and read the post and for context what it was replying to. It's quite straight forward. Other than that I really can't help you with whatever you want to try and read in to it that actually isn't there.

 

[miket12]

This was your post:

"What a joke of a person and party. If only she put as much effort in to domestic issues rather than foreign matters where she literally doesn't have to do anything but blow wind at. She is a disgrace. The fact she is happy to miss a week of parliament says it all really."

What other conclusion would you have us come to? Juju is 100% correct

Where I think Chloe made a mistake is when she thought that Parliament should decide whether NZ should recognise Palestine as a state. It's not up to Parliament to do that but it's a cabinet decision as covered by the Cabinet Manual as it's to do with Foreign Affairs Policy. She said we should follow Australia's example right now, but the NZ Cabinet doesn't meet again until next Monday. Sorry Chloe, as much as the vast majority of people want to see the end to the killing in Gaza along with the Hamas held hostages released, there's a process that needs to take place and I'm pretty such that Palestine wouldn't be far enough "up the list" to warrant a "special cabinet" meeting before the next scheduled one on Monday.

IMHO, her trying to get Parliament to decide it by wanting six government MP's "with spines" to cross the floor instead of it going before Cabinet is just as undemocratic as the current government continuing to pass things like the pay equity changes under urgency instead of going through the select committee process.

Just like Hipkins bleating about the reduction of just over $250 PA from peoples KiwiSaver accounts (while hoping we all forgot about the fact that Labour had 6 years where they could have returned the government contribution back to over $1,000 PA and didn't) and Winnie refusing to wear a hi-vis jacket, Chloe is looking for media time... even though she knows what she was asking for was going against NZ's democratic process by trying to get the discussion and decision away from where Foreign Policy decisions should take place, at the Monday Cabinet Meetings.

 

[miket12]

True leadership and integrity


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6oLAzbqoQ

No.... an attack on NZ democracy by trying to get the discussion away from the Cabinet, where foreign policy decisions are made, to into Parliament.

 

[MaybeTop8]

No.... an attack on NZ democracy by trying to get the discussion away from the Cabinet, where foreign policy decisions are made, to into Parliament.

Hardly an attack on democracy Mike.