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We have had an explosion of charities the past few years yet our poverty, crime, school attendance, etc stats have gone worse.
Seems less quantity with more quality is needed.
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They are taking OT to court evidently. Serious money at stake and makes little difference if they can only provide help to 225 kids due to court costs.
That's 230 kids in Northland but out of around 4000 in the country according to the article? that would be $5250 per person
Charity to take Oranga Tamariki to court after $63m funding terminated for vulnerable kids
Oranga Tamariki funding cuts threaten Northland's only trauma support, risking 230 children.
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A school runs on funding of around $5k per student.That's 230 kids in Northland but out of around 4000 in the country according to the article? that would be $5250 per person
Charity to take Oranga Tamariki to court after $63m funding terminated for vulnerable kids
Oranga Tamariki funding cuts threaten Northland's only trauma support, risking 230 children.www.nzherald.co.nz
For that you get 30 hours per child contact time per week from a qualified professional (teacher), admittedly in a group setting, with all the infrastructure, admin and resourcing to support it.
For context, this charity has 40 staff for 21m funding. A school with the same funding would have 200. They talk about the homelessness and living conditions. A school with that funding would have 200 buildings funded and available in addition to the staff..
With all this extra support we should be seeing huge benefits to society but it’s just not evident.
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I saw Nicola Willis comment that we had spent 80% more for worse outcomes over the previous few years. I don't disagree with you that we should be seeing better results and benefits for society for that spending.
In this instance I was correcting the original poster as attributing only 230 kids to the $21 million wasn't right.
I also think that if these are troubled youth, the ones that we are seeing causing big issues and end up costing more later if nothing is done then I think $5250 per kid is reasonable, IF we are seeing results and it stops them being more of a concern and cost further down the line.
21M for 200 buildings and staff? I assume buildings mainly refer to classrooms?A school runs on funding of around $5k per student.
For that you get 30 hours per child contact time per week from a qualified professional (teacher), admittedly in a group setting, with all the infrastructure, admin and resourcing to support it.
For context, this charity has 40 staff for 21m funding. A school with the same funding would have 200. They talk about the homelessness and living conditions. A school with that funding would have 200 buildings funded and available in addition to the staff..
With all this extra support we should be seeing huge benefits to society but it’s just not evident.
That would be 105k a building and that is without paying staff. Think your numbers may be a bit off here mate
In Wairarapa and Wellington they spent around $4m for 14 classrooms, around 286k a pop. This was in 2016 as well, things are a bit more expensive these days.
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In the of poverty, crime, school attendance etc side of things you mentioned, I feel like it’s a number of things contributing to these areas. One is a portion of lower socioeconomic families that have and will continue to see poor outcomes unfortunately until a generation breaks the cycle, very simplistic and many more factors to this also. Another is a larger than acknowledged amount of parents expecting school to teach their child in all facets of life and not providing the basics of life in knowledge to their children. Many more factors but two I’ve observed that are often leading to poor outcomes.
On the charity side of things, my own recent experience is I donate weekly to spca as ill treated animals is a scourge that’s close to my heart but a small amount and would love to give more if circumstances were different. Last week I got a call and knew what was coming as I’ve had the spiel often before. Your valued in what you give etc but cut her off as it goes on and said nicely that work is a bit scarce at present and not in a position at present to up it. I’m sympathetic as they must have a huge influx but she continued to push for just a dollar or two extra a week and many were able to offer that. Since at the start of the call she mentioned it was being recorded for security purposes I went on to mention in my own observations in talking to people, so many more would be willing if they knew the bulk of the donation was going to the cause and ceo’s weren’t pocketing such absorbent salaries. For all I know they might be deserving but if so, show us where your high salary is justified in what you contribute? Anyway, sorry to go on but just a recent experience
I'm similar. I give to the SPCA. My reasoning is that the animals don't have any choice and they need the support.
I also agree that there is no silver bullet but it will take generations to solve, and that will be through improvements with each generation. Not everyone might agree with it but banning cellphones, lifting attendance rates and the hour of maths, reading, writing each day I think are critical to lifting the standards. But it is going to take years and years of consistent focus on this in order to see the change.
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Can only try as what’s happening isn’t working. Still really a trial with how we all adapt to the growing advancement of technology in our lives
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Yes, you are right. I was looking at Northland and thought it was very high.That's 230 kids in Northland but out of around 4000 in the country according to the article? that would be $5250 per person
Charity to take Oranga Tamariki to court after $63m funding terminated for vulnerable kids
Oranga Tamariki funding cuts threaten Northland's only trauma support, risking 230 children.
dean
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We financially support Bay of Islands Animal Rescue. They are a terrific charity, the main player a tireless lady from Kawakawa. They never canvass for money, just nicely thank for whatever they receive.
If anyone is looking for a pet, especially a dog, they always have a great selection.
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School buildings are leased from the govt by schools.
Not cost to build. Charities can lease buildings.
200 Northland houses at $25kpa each ($500pw) rented is only $5m of their $21m budget. 200 staff at $80k each is $16m. There’s your 21m.
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This charity has 40 staff and $21m per year funding. That’s over half a million funded per staff member.
Say you pay them $120k on average each, where’s the other $400k per staff member spent by this charity?
Doesn’t add up to me…
Please stop plucking random numbers out of thin air. As part of the staff there are cooks, carers, social workers and other jobs.
It obviously doesn't all go to staff.
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So my workings are to high?
I’m using numbers based on the real figures having been on a school board of trustees and transferring to how it could work in this case.
Something doesn’t stack up and with that level of support we should be seeing tangible results
Mate, you are plucking random numbers to suit.
You would then know that there are operating costs, accommodation, food, everything involved. Without seeing their exact operating costs, we are just speculating here. Is there no tangible results or are we just guessing based on an article?
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Based on the govt discontinuing support and funding…
Chair of Government’s green investment fund resigns in wake of SolarZero collapse
Jenna LynchDecember 13, 2024 •09:33am
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The chair of NZ Green Investment Finance (NZGIF) has resigned in the wake of the collapse of solar power provider SolarZero.
The company, which owns about a third of New Zealand’s solar installations, announced the liquidation on its Facebook page in late November, citing “unsustainable operating losses and liquidity constraints”.
Ministers had been seeking urgent advice and explanations on the implications of SolarZero having drawn down about $115 million of the $145m in loans NZGIF had committed by the time the company went into liquidation.
Late on Thursday, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced that Tarrant had resigned.
The Government wanted assurances around the due diligence, monitoring and the structuring of the deal, believed to be the fund’s largest investment.
Last week, NZGIF chairwoman Cecilia Tarrant met with Watts and Finance Minister Nicola Willis.
“We met with the minister of finance and the minister of climate change. They expressed their concerns, obviously we are also very concerned. We’ve agreed to keep them updated fully as the situation develops,” Tarrant said as she left the meeting.
Watts said Tarrant would stand down on December 20th.
“I want to acknowledge the work Ms Tarrant has led over the last six years and thank her for her service.
“David Woods, the Deputy Chair of NZGIF, will act as Chair for the coming months while decisions are made on the future direction of NZGIF.
Tarrant sent a statement which hinted ministers had indicated their preference for her to move on saying she was “respecting the Ministers' desire for new leadership while reflecting proudly on her six-year tenure”.
“I am immensely proud of the progress achieved in more than 30 transactions, showcasing the market potential of low-emissions investments across diverse sectors.”
"I leave the role with confidence in the foundation we've built and wish the organisation every success in driving New Zealand’s critical journey toward decarbonisation.”
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Chair of Government’s green investment fund resigns in wake of SolarZero collapse
Jenna Lynch
December 13, 2024 •09:33am
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Cecilia Tarrant, the chair of NZ Green Investment Finance, outside Parliament.Chino Barrett-Lovie / STUFF
The chair of NZ Green Investment Finance (NZGIF) has resigned in the wake of the collapse of solar power provider SolarZero.
The company, which owns about a third of New Zealand’s solar installations, announced the liquidation on its Facebook page in late November, citing “unsustainable operating losses and liquidity constraints”.
Ministers had been seeking urgent advice and explanations on the implications of SolarZero having drawn down about $115 million of the $145m in loans NZGIF had committed by the time the company went into liquidation.
Late on Thursday, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced that Tarrant had resigned.
The Government wanted assurances around the due diligence, monitoring and the structuring of the deal, believed to be the fund’s largest investment.
Last week, NZGIF chairwoman Cecilia Tarrant met with Watts and Finance Minister Nicola Willis.
“We met with the minister of finance and the minister of climate change. They expressed their concerns, obviously we are also very concerned. We’ve agreed to keep them updated fully as the situation develops,” Tarrant said as she left the meeting.
Watts said Tarrant would stand down on December 20th.
“I want to acknowledge the work Ms Tarrant has led over the last six years and thank her for her service.
“David Woods, the Deputy Chair of NZGIF, will act as Chair for the coming months while decisions are made on the future direction of NZGIF.
Tarrant sent a statement which hinted ministers had indicated their preference for her to move on saying she was “respecting the Ministers' desire for new leadership while reflecting proudly on her six-year tenure”.
“I am immensely proud of the progress achieved in more than 30 transactions, showcasing the market potential of low-emissions investments across diverse sectors.”
"I leave the role with confidence in the foundation we've built and wish the organisation every success in driving New Zealand’s critical journey toward decarbonisation.”
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As I've said multiple times, there's no profitable renewable funds and very few profitable renewable business without government handouts.
