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The thread centers on New Zealand's upcoming election, primarily debating the economic management and policy differences between the center-left Labour government and center-right National/ACT opposition. Key criticisms target Labour's fiscal stewardship, citing ballooning government expenditure #7#272, housing unaffordability, and unfulfilled promises like KiwiBuild and dental care expansion #16#12. A user #7 highlighted Labour's annual 9% spending growth versus 1.5% under previous governments, arguing this fueled inflation. National's tax-cut policy faced scrutiny over funding gaps and legality, with user #215 questioning Luxon's reliance on "trust me" assurances.
Leadership competence emerged as a critical theme, particularly in later posts. Luxon drew heavy criticism after a contentious interview where he struggled to defend policy details #194#199#211, while Willis faced backlash for her economic credentials. Hipkins garnered fleeting praise for articulation but was ultimately seen as representing poor governmental outcomes #45#119. A trusted user #308 presented expert economic analysis contradicting Treasury optimism. Infrastructure issues—like Wellington's water crisis and the dental school staffing shortage—were cited as examples of systemic mismanagement #235#12. Notable policy debates included road-user charges for EVs #220, immigration impacts on rents #299, and coalition scenarios involving NZ First #182#258. Early fringe discussions on candidates' rugby allegiances gave way to substantive policy critiques, culminating in grim Treasury forecasts discussed in posts #271#304#308. User #168 also revealed concerns about Labour rushing regulatory changes to entrench policies pre-election.

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Economic Policies, Housing Crisis, Leadership Competence

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You must be giddy with excitement.

How big is the ground swell really? Just seems a bunch of Daily Mail articles ramping it all up in the media.
Are you sure it's not just your algorithm making you think it's a popular?

Probably end up being wet fart of a protest with some embarrassing incels playing Gi Joe for the day - just like recent Neo Nazi March in Melbourne. Cringey as fuck.

Is this bigger than then the Palestine March over Sydney the Harbour Bridge that was also facing resistance?
Go back and read my previous posts on the matter that you similarly dismissed with your holier than thou attitude. There is s siesmic shift coming that the left seems unable or unwilling to confront with any real understanding. As for the Daily Mail, news outlets only picked it up after doing the rounds on all social media. You are aware legacy media is dead right?

Half the organizers are women so don't know how that floats your boat. As for incel, for that to be derogatory, you have to believe that a mans value is dependent on how many women he fucks. Is how you see women? A sexual commodity?

My initial assumption is it will be 10x bigger and in every city as well. Right or wrongly Palestine is fringe issue for the left and its hardly unifying. The march / protest whatever it is will appeal to 66% of Australians. 2nd and 3rd generations kids of migrants are talking about attending.
 

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Ladies and gentlemen.... let's get ready to RUMMMMBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

In the Blue corner... those who think that spending $155 mil to save the country $3 billion was a good idea vs in the Red corner... those who think that the country just throw away $155 mil. Let the fight begin.

KiwiRail settles with Hyundai over cancelled ferries with $144 million payment​


KiwiRail has settled with Hyundai Mipo Dockyard with a $144 million final payment following the cancellation of the Project iRex ferries.
In a press statement, Rail Minister Winston Peters was highly critical of previous media reporting that predicted a much larger figure for cancelling the contract for two large ships.

The decision to ditch Project iRex was among the first made by the Government after its formation in late 2023.

A procurement process has been under way for new ferries to be delivered by 2029, led by the Government’s new Ferry Holdings company.

“Doomsayers said cancelling the contract would cost the taxpayer the full $551m contract value,” he said.

“But these are some of the same people who accepted Project iReX ballooning from $1.45 billion when approved in 2021 to Treasury warning it was on course to $4b in 2023 thanks to eyes-bigger-than-their-mouths ambitions and absentee management. Even their criticisms blew out.”

He said the net $144m payment covered costs incurred by Hyundai and its global suppliers, and was fair given the decision to cancel Project iRex “was never a reflection on Hyundai”.

“As $300m was originally provisioned to cover the potential cost of exiting iReX commitments, including settling the contract with Hyundai, more funding is now available for other government projects.”

Ferry Holdings’ engagement with shipbuilders for new ferries is “progressing well”, said Peters, as is work on infrastructure at Picton and Wellington.

Finance Minister Nicola Willis said the forecast cost of the previous project had increased significantly by the time it was cancelled in December 2023. This was largely down to increases in the landside infrastructure costs.

“No government should be advised of billion-dollar blowouts in a major infrastructure programme upon being elected, as was the case after the 2023 general election.

“I am pleased that a more pragmatic solution is now in place that will ensure a safe, reliable Cook Strait service at an affordable price.”

Labour transport spokesperson Tangi Utikere said the settlement payment amount was “staggering”.

“Nicola Willis’ terrible decision-making has now cost taxpayers more than half a billion dollars in total – $671m – with no new ferries to show for it,” he said.

“The $144m break fee is on top of money already paid to Hyundai, which takes the amount of taxpayer money National has poured down the drain to $222m. The rest is project management, landside infrastructure and paying to wind down the project – totalling more than half a billion."

Last month, Peters announced agreements had been met with CentrePort, Port Marlborough and KiwiRail on the infrastructure scope.

“This is not our first regatta, as this no-nonsense infrastructure focus is what was supposed to happen in 2020 until poor management and a lack of oversight allowed iReX to blow out. We will save the taxpayer billions through our disciplined approach.

“The agreements entered into effectively mean the ports and KiwiRail are in, boots and all, with Cabinet’s preferred low-cost option.

“The focus of the agreements is primarily about the marine infrastructure. In Picton, new wharves and linkspans will be built while in Wellington we will be maximising the use of the existing Aratere infrastructure by modifying and strengthening the existing wharf to suit new ferries for the next 30 years and building a new linkspan.”

He said there was minimal scope for improvements to the yards.

 
Go back and read my previous posts on the matter that you similarly dismissed with your holier than thou attitude. There is s siesmic shift coming that the left seems unable or unwilling to confront with any real understanding. As for the Daily Mail, news outlets only picked it up after doing the rounds on all social media. You are aware legacy media is dead right?

Half the organizers are women so don't know how that floats your boat. As for incel, for that to be derogatory, you have to believe that a mans value is dependent on how many women he fucks. Is how you see women? A sexual commodity?

My initial assumption is it will be 10x bigger and in every city as well. Right or wrongly Palestine is fringe issue for the left and its hardly unifying. The march / protest whatever it is will appeal to 66% of Australians. 2nd and 3rd generations kids of migrants are talking about attending.
I doubt it. I seriously doubt.
10x Bigger than the 90 000 people who marched a couple of weeks ago?
900 000 thousand people you reckon. Lol.

I'd make a bet... but you don't pay.

You're in absolute dream world if you think normal rational human beings will protest to the extent you are saying... alongside a self proclaimed Neo Nazi group called White Australia ( One of the organiser )
Half the organisers are woman are they? Care to name the organisers?
 
Go back and read my previous posts on the matter that you similarly dismissed with your holier than thou attitude. There is s siesmic shift coming that the left seems unable or unwilling to confront with any real understanding. As for the Daily Mail, news outlets only picked it up after doing the rounds on all social media. You are aware legacy media is dead right?

Half the organizers are women so don't know how that floats your boat. As for incel, for that to be derogatory, you have to believe that a mans value is dependent on how many women he fucks. Is how you see women? A sexual commodity?

My initial assumption is it will be 10x bigger and in every city as well. Right or wrongly Palestine is fringe issue for the left and its hardly unifying. The march / protest whatever it is will appeal to 66% of Australians. 2nd and 3rd generations kids of migrants are talking about attending.
Seismic shift based on lies, bigotry, hatred, racism and disinformation.
 
Ladies and gentlemen.... let's get ready to RUMMMMBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

In the Blue corner... those who think that spending $155 mil to save the country $3 billion was a good idea vs in the Red corner... those who think that the country just throw away $155 mil. Let the fight begin.

KiwiRail settles with Hyundai over cancelled ferries with $144 million payment​


KiwiRail has settled with Hyundai Mipo Dockyard with a $144 million final payment following the cancellation of the Project iRex ferries.
In a press statement, Rail Minister Winston Peters was highly critical of previous media reporting that predicted a much larger figure for cancelling the contract for two large ships.

The decision to ditch Project iRex was among the first made by the Government after its formation in late 2023.

A procurement process has been under way for new ferries to be delivered by 2029, led by the Government’s new Ferry Holdings company.

“Doomsayers said cancelling the contract would cost the taxpayer the full $551m contract value,” he said.

“But these are some of the same people who accepted Project iReX ballooning from $1.45 billion when approved in 2021 to Treasury warning it was on course to $4b in 2023 thanks to eyes-bigger-than-their-mouths ambitions and absentee management. Even their criticisms blew out.”

He said the net $144m payment covered costs incurred by Hyundai and its global suppliers, and was fair given the decision to cancel Project iRex “was never a reflection on Hyundai”.

“As $300m was originally provisioned to cover the potential cost of exiting iReX commitments, including settling the contract with Hyundai, more funding is now available for other government projects.”

Ferry Holdings’ engagement with shipbuilders for new ferries is “progressing well”, said Peters, as is work on infrastructure at Picton and Wellington.

Finance Minister Nicola Willis said the forecast cost of the previous project had increased significantly by the time it was cancelled in December 2023. This was largely down to increases in the landside infrastructure costs.

“No government should be advised of billion-dollar blowouts in a major infrastructure programme upon being elected, as was the case after the 2023 general election.

“I am pleased that a more pragmatic solution is now in place that will ensure a safe, reliable Cook Strait service at an affordable price.”

Labour transport spokesperson Tangi Utikere said the settlement payment amount was “staggering”.

“Nicola Willis’ terrible decision-making has now cost taxpayers more than half a billion dollars in total – $671m – with no new ferries to show for it,” he said.

“The $144m break fee is on top of money already paid to Hyundai, which takes the amount of taxpayer money National has poured down the drain to $222m. The rest is project management, landside infrastructure and paying to wind down the project – totalling more than half a billion."

Last month, Peters announced agreements had been met with CentrePort, Port Marlborough and KiwiRail on the infrastructure scope.

“This is not our first regatta, as this no-nonsense infrastructure focus is what was supposed to happen in 2020 until poor management and a lack of oversight allowed iReX to blow out. We will save the taxpayer billions through our disciplined approach.

“The agreements entered into effectively mean the ports and KiwiRail are in, boots and all, with Cabinet’s preferred low-cost option.

“The focus of the agreements is primarily about the marine infrastructure. In Picton, new wharves and linkspans will be built while in Wellington we will be maximising the use of the existing Aratere infrastructure by modifying and strengthening the existing wharf to suit new ferries for the next 30 years and building a new linkspan.”

He said there was minimal scope for improvements to the yards.

And the three billion would have set up the infrastructure for the next 100 years
 
I doubt it. I seriously doubt.
10x Bigger than the 90 000 people who marched a couple of weeks ago?
900 000 thousand people you reckon. Lol.
As I said, Palestine is a fringe issue for the left. One march across the entire country pulled 90k.
I'd make a bet... but you don't pay.

You're in absolute dream world if you think normal rational human beings will protest to the extent you are saying... alongside a self proclaimed Neo Nazi group called White Australia ( One of the organiser )
Proves you dont read sources, indigenous social media posters are planning on attending. How does that fit with your narrative?' From the source I linked -

The protests are also being promoted by a number of First Nations sovereign citizens.
Half the organisers are woman are they? Care to name the organisers?
Sydney & Melb confirmed and the Bec chick named the paper is claiming Syd. Havent heard about Bris or Adelaide yet.

View: https://x.com/BecFreedom/status/1955873833958973447
 
As I said, Palestine is a fringe issue for the left. One march across the entire country pulled 90k.

Proves you dont read sources, indigenous social media posters are planning on attending. How does that fit with your narrative?' From the source I linked -

The protests are also being promoted by a number of First Nations sovereign citizens.

Sydney & Melb confirmed and the Bec chick named the paper is claiming Syd. Havent heard about Bris or Adelaide yet.

View: https://x.com/BecFreedom/status/1955873833958973447

The NSW police commissioner said it was the biggest protest he had seen in his 35 year career.

Your little Neo Nazi mates had 150 people in Melbourne recently.

You've gone loopy if you think the Sydney turnout will be bigger for your fun day out.
 
As I said, Palestine is a fringe issue for the left. One march across the entire country pulled 90k.

Proves you dont read sources, indigenous social media posters are planning on attending. How does that fit with your narrative?' From the source I linked -

The protests are also being promoted by a number of First Nations sovereign citizens.

Sydney & Melb confirmed and the Bec chick named the paper is claiming Syd. Havent heard about Bris or Adelaide yet.

View: https://x.com/BecFreedom/status/1955873833958973447

So the organisers are Sovereign Citizens, Neo Nazis and this woman Becky from accounts with 3000 followers.

Have you lost your mind?
 
As I said, Palestine is a fringe issue for the left. One march across the entire country pulled 90k.

Proves you dont read sources, indigenous social media posters are planning on attending. How does that fit with your narrative?' From the source I linked -

The protests are also being promoted by a number of First Nations sovereign citizens.

Sydney & Melb confirmed and the Bec chick named the paper is claiming Syd. Havent heard about Bris or Adelaide yet.

View: https://x.com/BecFreedom/status/1955873833958973447

Fringe issue? What a poisonous world you inhabit frank
 
And the three billion would have set up the infrastructure for the next 100 years
Mmmmm.... according to Greater Wellington Regional Council, the new wharf was going to be under water within 50 years. Were they then going to be used for as pens for the new Australian subs for the next 50 years?

Building 100 year resilience for a wharf that would be under water within fifty years is a colossal waste of money.

Here's the proof.... the predicted 1.4m rise in sea levels means that part of the terminal and most of the marshalling areas will be subject to flooding through normal tidal action while a king tide of 1.7-1.8 m would make the terminal and wharf useless as shown on the map below from GWRC.

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And here's where the terminal, wharf and marshalling yards from the abandoned iReX scheme were to be located...

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Mmmmm.... according to Greater Wellington Regional Council, the new wharf was going to be under water within 50 years. Were they then going to be used for as pens for the new Australian subs for the next 50 years?

Building 100 year resilience for a wharf that would be under water within fifty years is a colossal waste of money.

Here's the proof.... the predicted 1.4m rise in sea levels means that part of the terminal and most of the marshalling areas will be subject to flooding through normal tidal action while a king tide of 1.7-1.8 m would make the terminal and wharf useless as shown on the map below from GWRC.

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And here's where the terminal, wharf and marshalling yards from the abandoned iReX scheme were to be located...

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The tax cuts we can't afford where the government has to borrow billions for them are a bad "investment"

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