Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Worried2Death]

Quite possibly a big misunderstanding but seems like a massive own goal by the Greens on a number of fronts. One being the guy deleting 50+ posts - nothing to see here. Two, not being able to articulately explain the misunderstanding, the meaning of the words used, the context. Three, going to the police after bagging them previously on a nunber of occasions. It hasn't been a good year or two for the Green Party and it's looking more and more like James Shaw was the only one holding them together.

James should come back and kick out all these fucking idiots and make the Greens straight white male again, then we wouldn't have all these "misunderstandings".

 

[marv.]

Yeah I do when you put it like that, but is that what he did or is it all a big misunderstanding and he would never dream of harming a child? I don't know him and never heard of him until last week, there's a lot of agendas going on here.

them.
and yeah i agree. it’s a massive fuck up.
i don’t think for a second they want to fuck a kid. but if you put anyone else in the scenario it’s unsurvivable.

i’m all for propping up, standing up for and protecting our rainbow community, but it shouldn’t make them immune to criticism.

 

[MaybeTop8]

sure, but you don’t think if seymour or any of those ACT cookers posted a picture of a kid spread legs (clothed) on their lap and wrote boy pussy, the world wouldn’t implode?

it’s unacceptable by any means.

Is that correct marv? David fisher is a very good journalist who doesn't get things wrong. There's a clear breakdown of the facts and what was posted in the account.

 

[defensivebomb]

I don't know him and never heard of him until last week, there's a lot of agendas going on here.

I almost think any agendas are irrelevant

Just his instagram handle alone is enough for people to question if he should be in parliament

 

[marv.]

Is that correct marv? David fisher is a very good journalist who doesn't get things wrong. There's a clear breakdown of the facts and what was posted in the account.

not sure what you mean sorry man?
the meaning of bussy?

long day for me today.
but let me know. happy to have a look in the morning.

from everything i’ve seen it’s bad bad bad. and AGAIN to be clear i think it’s a fuck up and shitty joke. NOT pedophilia

 

[Worried2Death]

I almost think any agendas are irrelevant

Just his instagram handle alone is enough for people to question if he should be in parliament

What if Judith Collins named her Insta folder Pussy Galore? Yeah, I see your point.

 

[Inruin]

James should come back and kick out all these fucking idiots and make the Greens straight white male again, then we wouldn't have all these "misunderstandings".

Im assuming you are being a bit flippant with that comment. The Greens have always been an alternative, for want of a better word, party but they also had a few core policies and were very good at articulating them, and doing so quite respectfully. Currently I'm actually not sure what they stand for. They have morphed more in to an anarchist party, not dissimilar to the same progression the māori party has taken. If you look at what the party was like with Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald (or Pita Sharples and Tariana Turia for the māori party) or even with James Shaw it's almost chalk and cheese.

 

[Noitall]

Im assuming you are being a bit flippant with that comment. The Greens have always been an alternative, for want of a better word, party but they also had a few core policies and were very good at articulating them, and doing so quite respectfully. Currently I'm actually not sure what they stand for. They have morphed more in to an anarchist party, not dissimilar to the same progression the māori party has taken. If you look at what the party was like with Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald (or Pita Sharples and Tariana Turia for the māori party) or even with James Shaw it's almost chalk and cheese.

There’s always been that protest attitude though with the likes of John Minto serving and Sue Bradford

 

[MaybeTop8]

not sure what you mean sorry man?
the meaning of bussy?

long day for me today.
but let me know. happy to have a look in the morning.

from everything i’ve seen it’s bad bad bad. and AGAIN to be clear i think it’s a fuck up and shitty joke. NOT pedophilia

I posted the full text of David fishers herald article, it's a bit of a long read.

It is a mess.

 

[Worried2Death]

Im assuming you are being a bit flippant with that comment. The Greens have always been an alternative, for want of a better word, party but they also had a few core policies and were very good at articulating them, and doing so quite respectfully. Currently I'm actually not sure what they stand for. They have morphed more in to an anarchist party, not dissimilar to the same progression the māori party has taken. If you look at what the party was like with Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald (or Pita Sharples and Tariana Turia for the māori party) or even with James Shaw it's almost chalk and cheese.

Half flippant, their brand is in the toilet but their polling seems to he holding at around 10%, Chloe hasn't done much to grow their base though.

 

[MaybeTop8]

them.
and yeah i agree. it’s a massive fuck up.
i don’t think for a second they want to fuck a kid. but if you put anyone else in the scenario it’s unsurvivable.

i’m all for propping up, standing up for and protecting our rainbow community, but it shouldn’t make them immune to criticism.

 

[defensivebomb]

Half flippant, their brand is in the toilet but their polling seems to he holding at around 10%, Chloe hasn't done much to grow their base though.

She seems like she’s lost her appeal, now that she’s now the boss and part of the establishment

She would have been better off going alone and taking the best and brightest with her, and working with both sides

 

[Worried2Death]

them

Noted and corrected

 

[MaybeTop8]

Strange. I need to stop agreeing so much.

 

[Noitall]

She seems like she’s lost her appeal, now that she’s now the boss and part of the establishment

She would have been better off going alone and taking the best and brightest with her, and working with both sides

She’ll hold the youth vote because of the view greens are the party to target climate change and the environment and I don’t think she needs to do too much for their votes. Younger people are a bit more politically savvy these days, in the sense they’re motivated to vote. America can’t fathom their youth in universities in support of Palestine, they seem to be more independent thinkers rather than what they’re being fed to believe

 

[Worried2Death]

We seem to agree about most things, until Frank comes in, throws a grenade and leaves

 

[Inruin]

There’s always been that protest attitude though with the likes of John Minto serving and Sue Bradford

Definitely, but always had strong, respectful, disciplined leadership

 

[Noitall]

Definitely, but always had strong, respectful, disciplined leadership

I think Swarbrick is those things and still fairly new to the role, but some of the members of the party in recent times has let her down. I do agree that James Shaw has been a loss

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I think Swarbrick is those things and still fairly new to the role, but some of the members of the party in recent times has let her down. I do agree that James Shaw has been a loss

Swarbruick has potential but needs another 10 years experience both in life and politics.

The greens remind me of the Tigers the last few years, young with lots of enthusiasm but needing old head to focus them.

Ironically, they need a few Boomers because they are like NSW cup players being exposed in the big league.

 

[Noitall]

Swarbruick has potential but needs another 10 years experience both in life and politics.

The greens remind me of the Tigers the last few years, young with lots of enthusiasm but needing old head to focus them.

Ironically, they need a few Boomers because they are like NSW cup players being exposed in the big league.

I think she’s really going to become a force. I’m not a greens voter and never have been but I still see her similar to Winston in that they have a particular voter base that’s loyal. Hers is young and Winston’s is old. Unfortunately for Winston old people are coming towards the end of their lives whereas if Swarbrick’s voters stick with greens, their support will grow as new voters come through. I think NZ first will die with Winston