Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Worried2Death]

What’s the underlying causes?

1 - General increased stress (5 years of covid and recession)?
2 - long term lack of progress for the middle class (globalism, house prices rising faster than wages, etc)?
3 - A more liberal and accepting society (eg. anti smacking bill)?
4 - a break down of long term morals and standards (back turned on religious fundamentals)?
5 - an increasingly complex society leaving more who can’t keep up on the scrap heap?
6 - it’s actually always been bad and is slowly getting better but we’re still shocked when things happen?
7 - All the above?

Western production shifted to China where the communists use their people as capitalist slave labour, with the long-term goal of destabilising western democracies. Actually, this is a longer arc than I thought.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Got any good social engineering ideas to fix it?

I think it comes down to morals, values and standards, which the govt can’t influence very easily.

I think it’s a break down in society and society rather than any govt must fix it.

I’m not religious but kind of think some people need a higher power they respect to guide them on the right path.

For to many though that’s gangs.

 

[Inruin]

Dunno if social engineering is a cause, the decline of the west started in the 80s when the neoliberals hired Reagan, a literal Hollywood actor, to sell the biggest heist on the working class since Stalin's oligarchs.

Of course it is a cause, intended or not. We are talking NZ here.

 

[Inruin]

Western production shifted to China where the communists use their people as capitalist slave labour, with the long-term goal of destabilising western democracies. Actually, this is a longer arc than I thought.

For a small, isolated country with a high reliance on agriculture and tourism can this legitimately be used as a reason for our societal decline?

 

[Worried2Death]

Of course it is a cause, intended or not. We are taking NZ here.

Yeah but we're subject to global trends. Anyway, there was no anti-smacking bill, that was reactionary talkback propaganda. It was an amendment to close a loophole that lawyers were using to get clients off beating kids with chains and bats in the guise of discipline, from memory.

 

[Worried2Death]

For a small, isolated country with a high reliance on agriculture and tourism can this legitimately be used as a reason for our societal decline?

I think so, or we wouldn't have had fuckwits running around pretending to be crips and bloods from LA, for a start

 

[Inruin]

I think so, or we wouldn't have had fuckwits running around pretending to be crips and bloods from LA, for a start

I think that's a long bow to draw blaming China production for this

 

[Worried2Death]

I think that's a long bow to draw blaming China production in this

Could be, but they're all factors in our decline towards hell in a hand basket.

 

[Worried2Death]

I caught covid for new years and I'm a bit dilerious, so I could be ranting total bollocks

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Anyway, there was no anti-smacking bill, that was reactionary talkback propaganda.

Disagree. The outcome was chilling.

From my wife’s ECE experience:

1 - parents are powerless against bright but challenging children. Many children rule the roost in households.
2 - teachers can’t touch children anymore. At all. No hugging a distressed child. Emotional damage going on.

Or maybe the problem is actually all the kids in ECE now…

3 - the more a mother works (massive generalisation here), the worse they are as a parent (lack of experience); the more their children become challenging and the more the children are emotionally independent from a very young age.

 

[miket12]

Shit…. now someone’s driven a truck into a crowd in NOLA. People there not just for NYE but also the Sugar Bowl. Driver started to shoot at cops and died at the scene. At least ten dead and dozens injured.

 

[John Nick]

Yeah but we're subject to global trends. Anyway, there was no anti-smacking bill, that was reactionary talkback propaganda. It was an amendment to close a loophole that lawyers were using to get clients off beating kids with chains and bats in the guise of discipline, from memory.

More like a pathetic politician trying to get some air/traction by standing by a potentially flawed bill.
We see it over and again.

 

[Noitall]

Not sure if a few similar incidents are a pattern or just a wider decline into general lawlessness

It’s supported by statistics that in September of 2024 that there’d been a 85% rise in violence against Women. It’s not a fallacy

 

[Noitall]

Since we are in the Politics thread let’s blame the current government for this escalation in lawlessness just like the previous government was blamed for everything that happened on it’s watch

The ramraids of the time were a result of labour’s soft on crime approach apparently as was widely accepted on here. Is the level of violent crime we’re seeing reported just another result of this?

 

[Noitall]

Tariana Turia not in a good way after a stroke

 

[Damo]

The ramraids of the time were a result of labour’s soft on crime approach apparently as was widely accepted on here. Is the level of violent crime we’re seeing reported just another result of this?

Don't worry banning gang patches in public will sort this out.

 

[Noitall]

Don't worry banning gang patches in public will sort this out.

Really just a sound bite. Was fascinated to see Seymour defend a persons right to give a nazi salute after a state in Aussie made it illegal, citing wanting to know who the idiots are but couldn’t see that many feel similarly about gangs with their patches being their identification as someone to avoid

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

It’s supported by statistics that in September of 2024 that there’d been a 85% rise in violence against Women. It’s not a fallacy

That’s 100% stress on and within society - 5 years of covid and economic turmoil.

Or maybe just as Labour used to say, more people feel free to report it now… nothing to see here.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I caught covid for new years and I'm a bit dilerious, so I could be ranting total bollocks

Hard to tell sometimes with you

 

[Inruin]

Don't worry banning gang patches in public will sort this out.

This kind of comment I really struggle with. Why do people make the jump from banning gang patches to there will be no crime? It's another tool to help target gangs which I think is great and we have already seen it being used for that purpose. According to the stats 25% of crime is done by the gangs so a huge amount by very few people. That does still leave 75% to tackle from the rest of the population and there will always be crime committed.