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[wizard of Tauranga]

How can you unilaterally change a contract? Don't both parties need to agree changes?

So in the treaty, what were the principles? Who can define them? how was co-governance ever bought into it? With what authority?

Can only the Queen and those original 500 māori define them?

If it was between māori and the England (the treaty made māori English subjects). Where is the NZ govt in all this?

Doesn’t the govt represent māori, the queen and all of us through elections? Don’t more māori voting for National than voted for the māori party give the incumbent govt a mandate to govern?

Again, I support the concept we’re all equal; however don’t like the ACT solution but think it’s all pointless anyway and a show as it’s already a dead bill.

 

[dean]

So in the treaty, what were the principles? Who can define them? how was co-governance ever bought into it? With what authority?

Can only the Queen and those original 500 Maori define them?

If it was between Maori and the England (the treaty made Maori English subjects). Where is the NZ govt in all this?

Doesn’t the govt represent Maori, the queen and all of us through elections? Don’t more Maori voting for National than voted for the Maori party give the incumbent govt a mandate to govern?

Again, I support the concept we’re all equal; however don’t like the ACT solution but think it’s all pointless anyway and a show as it’s already a dead bill.

The issue of co-governance will not go away when the ACT bill is defeated.
Eventually the country will have to confront it.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

The Waikato Times

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Sounds like hells angels need to be in charge of security again at concerts

That worked out great for the Rolling Stones…

 

[Teets]

The Waikato Times

www.waikatotimes.co.nz

Sounds like hells angels need to be in charge of security again at concerts

The old folks just need a higher dose of their meds.

Imagine getting worked up at a Crowded House gig.

 

[juju]

The issue of co-governance will not go away when the ACT bill is defeated.
Eventually the country will have to confront it.

Perhaps the two treaties partners can work towards that.

Rather than the Act Party and it's donors ramming it down the countries throat.

 

[juju]

ex National MP Nikki Kaye has passed away.
Just 44...

 

[dean]

Perhaps the two treaties partners can work towards that.

Rather than the Act Party and it's donors ramming it down the countries throat.

Perhaps New Zealanders can decide.
The issue was first raised by David Lange in the late 80's.

 

[juju]

Perhaps New Zealanders can decide.
The issue was first raised by David Lange in the late 80's.

Perhaps they should, if the policy was actually well thought out and constructed in collaboration with the treaty partner

& not a bill thats rubbished by both sides of the political divide, rubbished by the legal community, rubbished by the academic community, rubbished by church leaders etc

Is there actually any well thought out argument in support of Seymours proposal anywhere? Can you post it?

 

[Tragic]

So in the treaty, what were the principles? Who can define them? how was co-governance ever bought into it? With what authority?

Principles are fluff. It's about the laws we ALL agree to abide by as a society. That's not up a unilateral decision for Seymour and his cronies.

 

[Tragic]

Can only the Queen and those original 500 Maori define them?

Yes. We need a seance.

 

[Tragic]

If it was between Maori and the England (the treaty made Maori English subjects). Where is the NZ govt in all this?

I believe it was with the governor General I believe. I cbf looking it up but I would expect that the crown who is now the nz govt is now the representative for the former royalty

 

[Tragic]

Doesn’t the govt represent Maori, the queen and all of us through elections? Don’t more Maori voting for National than voted for the Maori party give the incumbent govt a mandate to govern?

Sure but governing doesn't mean breaking contracts because you feel like it. If you had agreed to sell your house to the crown for a million bucks and had a contract and David Seymour wanted to have a debate about paying you 10c instead would you support that coz a bunch of people like you voted for him?

 

[Tragic]

Again, I support the concept we’re all equal; however don’t like the ACT solution but think it’s all pointless anyway and a show as it’s already a dead bill.

We are not all equal, you are going all woke on me.
Seymour knows it ain't going to fly, he is softening the public up for something less radical but equally as stupid.

 

[Tragic]

ex National MP Nikki Kaye has passed away.
Just 44...

Met her once, extremely nice lady. Very sad.

 

[juju]

Met her once, extremely nice lady. Very sad.

Yeah she seemed a high quality person. A good Auckland central MP & Open to ideas outside of her political leanings.

 

[dean]

Perhaps they should, if the policy was actually well thought out and constructed in collaboration with the treaty partner

& not a bill thats rubbished by both sides of the political divide, rubbished by the legal community, rubbished by the academic community, rubbished by church leaders etc

Is there actually any well thought out argument in support of Seymours proposal anywhere? Can you post it?

Let the public decide.

 

[Noitall]

That worked out great for the Rolling Stones…

One died, one born. It all evened out

 

[Noitall]

The old folks just need a higher dose of their meds.

Imagine getting worked up at a Crowded House gig.

Nothing worse than listening to fuckwits who can’t handle their piss yelling to play one we all know. Think the meds is the point, no piss at concerts, just pot

 

[dean]

Sure but governing doesn't mean breaking contracts because you feel like it. If you had agreed to sell your house to the crown for a road for a million bucks and had a contract and David Seymour wanted to have a debate about paying you 10c instead would you support that coz a bunch of people like you voted for him?

What contract is going to be broken?

 

[Tragic]

What contract is going to be broken?

If you have a contract between two.parties and one party decides to unilaterally change it then it's essentially broken