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[wizard of Tauranga]

How about listening the people on the ground - stop ignoring reality

Northland ED doctor Gary Payinda speaks out on dire state of Whangārei Hospital

Northland emergency doctor Gary Payinda has told Checkpoint the health system is suffering under woeful understaffing, budget constraints and leaky buildings - and the government's priorities are all wrong.

www.rnz.co.nz

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Shall I post articles back 20 years from the people on the ground complaining about lack of staff/ funds/ etc?

Either make ourselves a richer country (increase GDP) or get used to it.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Shall I post articles back 20 years from the people on the ground complaining about lack of staff/ funds/ etc?

Either make ourselves a richer country (increase GDP) or get used to it.

You have no clue mate. This country is being torn apart through this government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. Listen to that interview. Please. Open your ears and leave your ideology out of this.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

It’s fascinating the amount of posts that came from you regarding the money allocated to media by the previous government but no concern of the obvious lobbying that has brought about results regarding smoking and guns

Lobbying? Can’t be!

It not like unions didn’t lobby for fair pay agreements, etc like where 10% of a workforce can force mandatory unionism for a whole sector?

Surely there isn’t lobbying going on in NZ!

And yes, speaking of lobbying, the media loves their great funders, Labour!

 

[MaybeTop8]

Lobbying? Can’t be!

It not like unions didn’t lobby for fair pay agreements, etc like where 10% of a workforce can force mandatory unionism for a whole sector?

Surely there isn’t lobbying going on in NZ!

You mean unions sticking up for fair pay, human rights, workers right?

And you have the nerve to equate that with the greed of the corporates who bribe our politicians, especially those so obviously on the right in this government at the moment.

We're being sold off and you're all "But the unions!!"

I bet you're in favour of that Atlas vehicle the Taxpayers Union though.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You have no clue mate. This country is being torn apart through this government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. Listen to that interview. Please. Open your ears and leave your ideology out of this.

From your article: “Whangārei Hospital had not been "fit for duty" for the past 15 to 20 years, he said”

Supports what I said doesn’t it?

As a country we need to get richer to get better services or get used to it.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You mean unions sticking up for fair pay, human rights, workers right?

And you have the nerve to equate that with the greed of the corporates who bribe our politicians, especially those so obviously on the right in this government at the moment.

We're being sold off and you're all "But the unions!!"

I bet you're in favour of that Atlas vehicle the Taxpayers Union though.

Do we agree with vested interest influencing policy or not?

If we accept one (unions) we can’t complain when it’s someone we don’t like.

And what about Labours insider in a conflict of interest undermining smoking policy before it’s even law?

 

[Noitall]

Lobbying? Can’t be!

It not like unions didn’t lobby for fair pay agreements, etc like where 10% of a workforce can force mandatory unionism for a whole sector?

Surely there isn’t lobbying going on in NZ!

And yes, speaking of lobbying, the media loves their great funders, Labour!

Seems to have gone over your head the hypocrisy between bitching about one lot doing it and not the other

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Seems to have gone over your head the hypocrisy between bitching about one lot doing in and not the other

I wasn’t bitching about either

Just pointing out the hypocrisy

 

[Noitall]

I wasn’t bitching about either

Just pointing out the hypocrisy

Oh no you did plenty of bitching, it’s just shits and giggles for the Turks now

 

[Inruin]

Shall I post articles back 20 years from the people on the ground complaining about lack of staff/ funds/ etc?

Either make ourselves a richer country (increase GDP) or get used to it.

Yup, Whangarei hospital has been a problem for decades now. It's a pity we didn't have a long term plan with the Key Government and then we didn't use the borrowing from the last 6 years to use for significant investment. Whangarei hospital should have been started as a new build in land available on one of several area that were suitable around the town. Should have been a brand new purpose built hospital and then demolish the old one and use the land for housing

 

[MaybeTop8]

Government moves against Wellington Council - oh look, there's a right wing power bloc miraculously appearing to run for mayoralty out of nowhere. https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/3..._module_the_post&utm_medium=referral#cxrecs_s

 

[miket12]

How many left

This is about resource consenting - it allows permission to build.

You still need to get building consent and build to codes, which means geotechnical reports and engineering solutions to any flood risk. Either houses in these areas will have to be built to mitigate the risk or they won’t be able to be built. The council will have the final say. Non issue.

So article and criticism is just more negativity about nothing

Sorry to disappoint you but Council don't care. Most of west Manurewa and west Papatoetoe are in what's called the Mahia Catchment. When Manukau Water was in charge of deciding where developments could occur and what size, they restricted the size of subdivisions that could occur there because of the size of the flood plains and undersized public drainage. Then Auckland Council took over assets of Manukau City Council and Manukau Waters assets were transferred to Watercare and a fundamental change occurred. All the areas like Takanini, Manurewa West, Papatoetoe West and parts of Pakuranga where previously subdivisions were restricted were allowed..... provided big enough underground storage tanks were provided.

It's an issue.... a really big issue.

What concerns me more about the Ardmore area is not the potential flooding but the fact the ground is mostly peat and is absolutely useless for building on without hugely expensive foundation solutions. You couldn't pay me enough money to build or live there. The water table and soil condition through a number of the streets there means that some house will rise and fall 100-250mm depending on the rainfall.... which is okay if the house moves to the same rate but if one end rises or falls faster than another section of the house, you've got huge problems. I've done four houses in a subdivision there which my engineer "massively over engineered" (according to the client) the foundation system. Seven years later, and only 8 houses in the 35 house subdivision haven't had problems including cracking brick veneer and windows jammed shut.... my four are part of that eight.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Sorry to disappoint you but Council don't care. Most of west Manurewa and west Papatoetoe are in what's called the Mahia Catchment. When Manukau Water was in charge of deciding where developments could occur and what size, they restricted the size of subdivisions that could occur there because of the size of the flood plains and undersized public drainage. Then Auckland Council took over assets of Manukau City Council and Manukau Waters assets were transferred to Watercare and a fundamental change occurred. All the areas like Takanini, Manurewa West, Papatoetoe West and parts of Pakuranga where previously subdivisions were restricted were allowed..... provided big enough underground storage tanks were provided.

It's an issue.... a really big issue.

What concerns me more about the Ardmore area is not the potential flooding but the fact the ground is mostly peat and is absolutely useless for building on without hugely expensive foundation solutions. You couldn't pay me enough money to build or live there. The water table and soil condition through a number of the streets there means that some house will rise and fall 100-250mm depending on the rainfall.... which is okay if the house moves to the same rate but if one end rises or falls faster than another section of the house, you've got huge problems. I've done four houses in a subdivision there which my engineer "massively over engineered" (according to the client) the foundation system. Seven years later, and only 8 houses in the 35 house subdivision haven't had problems including cracking brick veneer and windows jammed shut.... my four are part of that eight.

If Auckland council won’t care during a building consent, they won’t care during a resource consent either

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

What concerns me more about the Ardmore area is not the potential flooding but the fact the ground is mostly peat and is absolutely useless for building on without hugely expensive foundation solutions.

Do houses on piles ‘ride’ better than houses on concrete pads?

Houses used to be mainly pole houses without much issue and now they are all concrete pads and we have issues?

 

[Noitall]

Sorry to disappoint you but Council don't care. Most of west Manurewa and west Papatoetoe are in what's called the Mahia Catchment. When Manukau Water was in charge of deciding where developments could occur and what size, they restricted the size of subdivisions that could occur there because of the size of the flood plains and undersized public drainage. Then Auckland Council took over assets of Manukau City Council and Manukau Waters assets were transferred to Watercare and a fundamental change occurred. All the areas like Takanini, Manurewa West, Papatoetoe West and parts of Pakuranga where previously subdivisions were restricted were allowed..... provided big enough underground storage tanks were provided.

It's an issue.... a really big issue.

What concerns me more about the Ardmore area is not the potential flooding but the fact the ground is mostly peat and is absolutely useless for building on without hugely expensive foundation solutions. You couldn't pay me enough money to build or live there. The water table and soil condition through a number of the streets there means that some house will rise and fall 100-250mm depending on the rainfall.... which is okay if the house moves to the same rate but if one end rises or falls faster than another section of the house, you've got huge problems. I've done four houses in a subdivision there which my engineer "massively over engineered" (according to the client) the foundation system. Seven years later, and only 8 houses in the 35 house subdivision haven't had problems including cracking brick veneer and windows jammed shut.... my four are part of that eight.

Been doing a bit of work at Ardmore airfield lately. Few new hangars that some are concerned at the weight and volume of some of the steel beams and coping on that soil

 

[MrFrankWhite]

How about listening the people on the ground - stop ignoring reality

Northland ED doctor Gary Payinda speaks out on dire state of Whangārei Hospital

Northland emergency doctor Gary Payinda has told Checkpoint the health system is suffering under woeful understaffing, budget constraints and leaky buildings - and the government's priorities are all wrong.

www.rnz.co.nz

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How about reading the fucking article...


The hospital – which was built in the 1950s – has a history of problems, including raw sewage leaking inside walls, leaking roofs and lifts breaking down.
Whangārei Hospital emergency doctor Gary Payinda told RNZ’s Checkpoint that issues at the Health NZ facility had been going on “for years”.
“We’ve been dealing with this for a long time, but things have really been accelerating in terms of the stresses on the system in the past year.”


TLDR: Labor has been doing nothing. Strange Dr Payinda doesnt talk about Labor much, most his of social media posts are anti capitalist / anti ACT / anti National.

 

[MaybeTop8]

How about reading the fucking article...


The hospital – which was built in the 1950s – has a history of problems, including raw sewage leaking inside walls, leaking roofs and lifts breaking down.
Whangārei Hospital emergency doctor Gary Payinda told RNZ’s Checkpoint that issues at the Health NZ facility had been going on “for years”.
“We’ve been dealing with this for a long time, but things have really been accelerating in terms of the stresses on the system in the past year.”


TLDR: Labor has been doing nothing. Strange Dr Payinda doesnt talk about Labor much, most his of social media posts are anti capitalist / anti ACT / anti National.

How about reading the fucking article, or listen to the fucking interview - they've got enough to reward with wealthy with billions, yet they can't do this.

Strange how Dargaville has no doctors at night. Strange how people are dying before they're seen at emergency departments. Strange how people are dying of cancer in the south island because they can't get seen.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

How about reading the fucking article, or listen to the fucking interview - they've got enough to reward with wealthy with billions, yet they can't do this.

Strange how Dargaville has no doctors at night. Strange how people are dying before they're seen at emergency departments. Strange how people are dying of cancer in the south island because they can't get seen.

Billions? Who is receiving cash outflow payments of billions?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Billions? Who is receiving cash outflow payments of billions?

tax cuts for the rich, and for the landlords

 

[miket12]

Do houses on piles ‘ride’ better than houses on concrete pads?

Houses used to be mainly pole houses without much issue and now they are all concrete pads and we have issues?

So most of the houses there used a conventional slab but, because of the location of the public drainage lines, required deep piles to the front part of the dwellings to avoid putting a surcharge on the drains. Problem is that “anchored” that part of the houses while the rest of the house would rise up and down, depending on the amount of water in the soil.

Most of the other engineers designed the foundations according to the geotechnical report…. which honestly wasn’t worth the paper it was written on because of the “get out of jail free” clause included by the geotechnical engineer which stated the report was only prepared for the developer and anyone else (I.e. a buyer of the section or his builder) needed to ensure themselves that the foundation system they used would work for the soils condition.

My engineer had one look at that and insisted the engineer did separate reports for our four sections and included proper engineering recommendations as the first engineer report covered the subdivision. It ended up that instead of using a conventional system, that 1.0m depth of soil was removed and 1.5m outside of the footprint of the dwelling and a rib raft slab system used.

Council don’t care, because it’s outside of NZS 3604 and requires specific engineering… putting the responsibility of the council and on too the structural engineer and builder. In fact, Councils love when things are done outside of 3604 or the Acceptable Standards of the Building Act because it puts the responsibility on too someone else.