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[MaybeTop8]

I appreciate your viewpoint. For me nearly everything was worse under the last government so it's kind of weird to me that people are crying about everything now. They, 'the left' are ineffective in opposition now because they were completely incompetent in government then. Same with this for the rich rhetoric when the poor were demonstrably getting hammered over the last several years.

When you say they the left - see, that's wrong. Labour had complete power, and yes, they were incompetent, but neoliberalism has saturated everywhere, including the public service and I would imagine it's very difficult to turn things around.

We need an apolitical solution with a constitution that builds the country up, not sell it off and create a massive class and race divide.

AND LABOUR ARE NOT LEFT.

 

[Inruin]

I have a few times back, quite a few times. If I was to favour anything it will be socialist capitalist if there is such a thing any more, more the German/Scandinavian styles, but to be honest, we're drowning here, this country is getting worse and worse due to the politics of austerity.

Anything but the extremes we live under. This National/Act coalition have turned off the supply chain based on ignorance and ideology, and they're maneuvring to privatise and sell of as much as they can. No doubt to their backers. It's utterly corrupt and wrong.

Who says I have to provide anything? What is happening in this country is morally repugnant and wrong to me - ethics are more important than politics in my opinion. That should be clear.

So no.

 

[Inruin]

When you say they the left - see, that's wrong. Labour had complete power, and yes, they were incompetent, but neoliberalism has saturated everywhere, including the public service and I would imagine it's very difficult to turn things around.

We need an apolitical solution with a constitution that builds the country up, not sell it off and create a massive class and race divide.

AND LABOUR ARE NOT LEFT.

That's why I put them in ' ' so you wouldn't get agitated. Didn't work apparently

 

[MaybeTop8]

So no.

Boring.

 

[Inruin]

Boring.

Indeed you are.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Indeed you are.

No, you are

 

[MaybeTop8]

Indeed you are.

But seriously, as always, Inruin, a pleasure, enjoy yourself.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'm astonished no one's commented on this - and astonished this is even allowed to pass with nary a comment in what's left of our mainstream media, of which there is nothing left.

All of these cuts, and for what? WE CAN'T AFFORD A FUCKING TAX CUT, ESPECIALLY A TAX CUT FOR THE WEALTHY.

Where was the mandate to destory rail in nz? The right have done this before, and they are backed by the road lobby.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/531067/kiwirail-offers-voluntary-redundancy-to-all-staff

Everything should run at a loss right? With inefficient investment of capital? And it should all be paid for by the greedy tax payers?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Everything should run at a loss right? With inefficient investment of capital? And it should all be paid for by the greedy tax payers?

Anything will run at a loss if you slash and burn. It's all about the narrative.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Anything will run at a loss if you slash and burn. It's all about the narrative.

They’ve been hit hardest by market share losses after completely misjudging the demand elasticity for their service. Everyone wants to see KiwiRail succeed.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

more the German/Scandinavian styles

I thought you believed in climate change? You want to massively increase fossil fuel use, exploitation and use nuclear energy in order to pay for this socialist capitalism?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

And, sigh, before anyone asks, anything with more humanity and less greed driven that what we have right now is preferable.

In a family situation, does a parent that is ‘strict’ (parent led) and sometimes unpopular with the child want less for the child than a parent that’s more child led?

I see National as that strict style. Not always the most popular decision, big picture, hard calls pushing the country towards what’s best for the masses even if there is pain along the way. I saw Labour as ‘kind’; populist; short term governing and not wanting to make hard calls. Lower outcomes, downwardly spiralling social services and nobody happy.

I’ve said before, National doubling the GDP in 10 years will do more for health, education and our standard of living (growing the pie) than Labours populist dividing the pie, which will only end up in continued stagnation. Finland was my example of how this works (double the GDP per capita with similar population).

In the bigger picture the hardcore capitalist system you dislike has delivered unprecedented gains in science and technology; standard of living; stretched life spans and reduced poverty. Much driven by inventions and discoveries from the evil capitalist USA.

The evidence is that long term; a sharp focus on economic fundamentals and governing for all, even if it is painful in the short term, is more effective in delivering for humanity than governing for humanity.

Under National, a rising tide lifts all boats. Under left systems CONSISTENTLY, governing for humanity counterintuitively delivers less humane results.

Reflect on if your a parent led or child led parent and how that translates into your political views.

 

[Worried2Death]

In a family situation, does a parent that is ‘strict’ (parent led) and sometimes unpopular with the child want less for the child than a parent that’s more child led?

I see National as that strict style. Not always the most popular decision, big picture, hard calls pushing the country towards what’s best for the masses even if there is pain along the way. I saw Labour as ‘kind’; populist; short term governing and not wanting to make hard calls. Lower outcomes, downwardly spiralling social services and nobody happy.

I’ve said before, National doubling the GDP in 10 years will do more for health, education and our standard of living (growing the pie) than Labours populist dividing the pie, which will only end up in continued stagnation. Finland was my example of how this works (double the GDP per capita with similar population).

In the bigger picture the hardcore capitalist system you dislike has delivered unprecedented gains in science and technology; standard of living; stretched life spans and reduced poverty. Much driven by inventions and discoveries from the evil capitalist USA.

The evidence is that long term; a sharp focus on economic fundamentals and governing for all, even if it is painful in the short term, is more effective in delivering for humanity than governing for humanity.

Under National, a rising tide lifts all boats. Under left systems CONSISTENTLY, governing for humanity counterintuitively delivers less humane results.

Reflect on if your a parent led or child led parent and how that translates into your political views.

Are you saying in this analogy that David Seymour is your daddy?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Are you saying in this analogy that David Seymour is your daddy?

He’s the daddy of all those on the left acting like spoiled brat teenagers every time we sort out the country

Just had a potential employee turn us down because she would end up $40 per week worse off working for us 2 days a week that the benefit.

Fundamentals are.wrong when you get paid well above minimum wage to do nothing…

This government understands the fundamentals. Do what’s best for the country and people, even if they don’t like it in the short term.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Reflecting on Mann after the car crash…

Broncos supporters are a bit like our Greenies reactions to a shoplifting mp’s

Lets blame Mamms mental health, volatile upbringing, minority status and stress. Poor guy was just destined to do it really.. Hopefully a well written cultural report will clear it all up and show the judge that it wasn’t really his fault..

And isn’t it small time stuff really, not like it’s anyone important like say a Minister of Justice, that’s drunk in a car accident. Least he didn’t do a runner from the scene.

And why are we even talking about it, just like the sinking of a navy ship, nothing to see until official investigations take place…

Let’s call for a National MP to resign after a joke that went bad and: or he came off rude

 

[dean]

Well Inruin, in old money Labour is centre right, National is Right and Act is far right. Nz First are probably centre right with a dose of loonyism. As I've mentioned many, many, many times the terms of debate are so twisted now that Labour is considered left.

Truly, the only real left, whatever that is, is probably the greens.

All in my opinion.

Labour are neolib light. National are neoliberal, Act are hardcore neoliberal, fascist neolib shall we say.

So when I say of the rich, by the rich, for the rich, generally, that's in right and far right territory. Generally.

The billionaires look after their own.

I ask in other people's reference, mind you I haven't for a while, only because of the fact that the terms of reference are generally so twisted, that Labour are considered left. They're not. Just more left on the right.

Labour has certainly lost its identity from being the party that represented working people.
They are a party that wants to promote and support minorities at the expense of what was once their core. They are not alone, it has happened all over Western Europe and this has seen a big swing to the right except for Britain who had to endure years of Tory incompetency, but the honeymoon is doomed.
National and Labour used to fight for the middle ground, the winner governed.
It has been along time since Labour has got behind working people, lifting wages along with productivity and creating jobs. There is lots of focus on unemployed people but nothing about getting people into work. I suspect they are afraid of offending somebody, so they just increase taxes more to support an unsustainable welfare system. Those caught in this net are the people that traditionally supported them, people like me.
Due to the incompetency of the last Labour govt, assisted by Mr Orr, we are in the shit and the living standards of future generations will pay the price more heavily than any of us. We think we are entitled to lifestyle we can't afford.
Envy taxes wont fix this.

 

[Noitall]

Hard case hearing Andrew Bayly say his treatment of the person he berated as light hearted. My offsider I work withs wife sees a bit of him in her job. It’s been noticed by many of her work colleagues how touchy feely he is with her and she absolutely cringes every time he visits their building. This guy sounds like an absolute piece of shit

 

[juju]

Verrall is going to get a scalp on this one.
The last paragraph spells out the links and how illogical the ministers policy direction has been

Auditor-General asked to investigate Costello decision to slash tax on heated tobacco products

Labour's Ayesha Verrall has laid a formal complaint over the policy, saying it lacks justification and claiming there are indications of industry influence.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Reflecting on Mann after the car crash…

Broncos supporters are a bit like our Greenies reactions to a shoplifting mp’s

Lets blame Mamms mental health, volatile upbringing, minority status and stress. Poor guy was just destined to do it really.. Hopefully a well written cultural report will clear it all up and show the judge that it wasn’t really his fault..

And isn’t it small time stuff really, not like it’s anyone important like say a Minister of Justice, that’s drunk in a car accident. Least he didn’t do a runner from the scene.

And why are we even talking about it, just like the sinking of a navy ship, nothing to see until official investigations take place…

Let’s call for a National MP to resign after a joke that went bad and: or he came off rude

Victim mentality that thankfully the majority of New Zealander’s seem to have had a gutsful of.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Verrall is going to get a scalp on this one.
The last paragraph spells out the links and how illogical the ministers policy direction has been

Auditor-General asked to investigate Costello decision to slash tax on heated tobacco products

Labour's Ayesha Verrall has laid a formal complaint over the policy, saying it lacks justification and claiming there are indications of industry influence.

www.rnz.co.nz

Costello said she slashed the tax to encourage chronic smokers to switch to HTPs.

Here we go again with process vs outcome.