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[miket12]

Invite Brian Tamaki to be Minister of Police, he can recruit them into his cult where they give him money (while doing good deeds).

Doing good deeds? Selling meth for half price?

 

[Worried2Death]

This is getting nasty.... firstly the Maori Party reveal information of abuse on one of their candidates by some people opposed to co-governance and now the Nats have outlined abuse on them including one candidate who has had to move house.

Campaign terror: National candidates targeted by gang members
National Party claims candidates, volunteers abused by gang members on campaign.

The National Party claims some of its candidates and volunteers have been abused by gang members on the campaign trail.

The party claims the anti-National rhetoric has been stirred up by former senior public servant and lifetime Mongrel Mob member Harry Tam, who has been holding voting education workshops across the country.

One incident allegedly involves Auckland Central candidate Mahesh Muralidhar who said a senior Head Hunters member filmed him and his wife in a restaurant and shared it with followers, with an “abusive and intimidating message”.

The most serious of the allegations is a National candidate who says they were forced to move house after a threat from a gang - National says it won’t release any further information to protect that person and their family.

The party also claims death threats were made to a volunteer in Auckland, another was attacked by a dog, and over the weekend several volunteers were abused and followed by gang members in Hawke’s Bay.

Manurewa candidate Siva Kilari said he had a bottle of beer thrown over him, has had volunteers frequently intimidated, and his house broken into.
National Party campaign chair Chris Bishop said New Zealand deserved a “free and fair election campaign in which every party can express their views”.

“Sadly, malevolent actors are seeking to disrupt National’s campaign."

We are taking the unprecedented step of releasing more information about these incidents so New Zealanders are aware of the stand-over tactics some are resorting to stop National’s plans to crack down on crime and scare New Zealanders away from voting.”

Bishop claimed National’s policies were harsher on gangs than Labour’s, which he believed to be behind the violence.

It comes as the party’s police spokesman Mark Mitchell faces questions over playing politics after making claims on social media about confronting gang members at Parliament on Thursday, despite being told repeatedly the people were not gang members themselves.

The confrontation came after a hīkoi, led by Matilda Kahotea (Ngāti Pūkenga), aimed at opposing National and Act’s policies on the gangs and delivering a petition, calling for gang families to be involved in policies impacting them.

Luxon today didn’t address questions over whether Mitchell had been trying to score political points with the untrue claims.

He said National condemned “any threats and intimidation on any political candidate in the property”.

They had been “pretty full on” for the party members, he said.

All incidents had been reported to police.

The National Party revelations come after Te Pāti Māori Hauraki-Waikato candidate Hana Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke’s Waikato home was invaded, vandalised and left with a threatening letter in what she claimed was a politically motivated attack.

Labour’s Taranaki-King Country candidate Angela Roberts also revealed she was slapped by an aggressive member of the public while at a local election debate last week.

Feels like we're sitting on a powder keg.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

70 cents is what is currently tax on our petrol prices, I’m not sure that the user charges that national is proposing in order to scrap that tax is going to make life easier. Was personally why I opted away from buying a diesel vehicle in order to avoid the road user charges and the hassle around it.

Taxes are roughly 48 per cent:

The blue, green and red parts are tax. The yellow part is the margin that govt is trying to get savings from. If the margin reduced to $0 we would save roughly an insignificant 0.25c per litre. That margin pays for the station infrastructure, etc to the actual profit where any savings could be made is about 3c per litre…

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[Bruce]

Making it easier for competitors to set up. Very cut throat industry, can recall in the Taranaki town of Stratford for many years where the new world owner was on council and would never let oppositions get their hands on the land they required. There are many instances of why competitors are unable to get their foot in the door.

That is what we have a commerce commission for.

 

[Noitall]

Taxes are roughly 48 per cent:

The blue, green and red parts are tax. The yellow part is the margin that govt is trying to get savings from. If the margin reduced to $0 we would save roughly an insignificant 0.25c per litre. That margin pays for the station infrastructure, etc to the actual profit where any savings could be made is about 3c per litre…

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Was meant to say 70 cents per litre is the current tax on fuel, apologies.

 

[miket12]

All the crying by both parties about The Press debate is pathetic and below a school yard argument.

National say they wanted to have the debate go ahead with Nicola Willis going up against Kelvin Davis.

Labour are saying the want the debate to be rescheduled for when Hipkins is well.

Really need the Kindergarten teacher to come over and separate the toddlers and mediate for them.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

All the crying by both parties about The Press debate is pathetic and below a school yard argument.

National say they wanted to have the debate go ahead with Nicola Willis going up against Kelvin Davis.

Labour are saying the want the debate to be rescheduled for when Hipkins is well.

Really need the Kindergarten teacher to come over and separate the toddlers and mediate for them.

It started with Labour incorrectly claiming National was pulling out when it’s actually Hipkins got covid so had to cancel. Straight misinformation. Hipkins couldn’t make it and had to cancel.

The media’s want it to go ahead for content so are making drama and running with the ‘National pulling out’ misinformation angle to pressure them.

National, being up in the polls have taken the opportunity to sit on their lead and not take a risk. Especially as it’s a very left leaning stuff run debate. Utu… Yea, they could reschedule but why take the risk… absolutely nothing to be gained.

Willis vs Davis is a master stroke comeback by National as Davis is really a sham deputy and isn’t up to debating. A defensive manouvour to gain the moral upper hand by saying Labour is pulling out.

It’s all just the game of politics and part of the entertainment

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Te Pāti Māori Rawiri Waititi has revealed he isn't "a fan of democracy" explaining he thinks democracy is a "tyranny of the majority".

The divisiveness from this party is scary for our country moving forward.

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[juju]

Te Pāti Māori Rawiri Waititi has revealed he isn't "a fan of democracy" explaining he thinks democracy is a "tyranny of the majority".

The divisiveness from this party is scary for our country moving forward.

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Even worse, he's a Broncos fan

 

[Noitall]

Te Pāti Māori Rawiri Waititi has revealed he isn't "a fan of democracy" explaining he thinks democracy is a "tyranny of the majority".

The divisiveness from this party is scary for our country moving forward.

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I think there’s quite a number of the world quite disillusioned with the current form of democracy for exactly as he states, a small selection of the wealthiest in the world able to sway things in their favour through donations and power. Only the people can change these outcomes, when the masses as has turned out in Poland for change something has to give. The people have the power when the people’s numbers are too large to contend with.

 

[dean]

I think there’s quite a number of the world quite disillusioned with the current form of democracy for exactly as he states, a small selection of the wealthiest in the world able to sway things in their favour through donations and power. Only the people can change these outcomes, when the masses as has turned out in Poland for change something has to give. The people have the power when the people’s numbers are too large to contend with.

Except that he is in a minority and doesn't have the people behind him. Dangerous man.

 

[Noitall]

It started with Labour incorrectly claiming National was pulling out when it’s actually Hipkins got covid so had to cancel. Straight misinformation. Hipkins couldn’t make it and had to cancel.

The media’s want it to go ahead for content so are making drama and running with the ‘National pulling out’ misinformation angle to pressure them.

National, being up in the polls have taken the opportunity to sit on their lead and not take a risk. Especially as it’s a very left leaning stuff run debate. Utu… Yea, they could reschedule but why take the risk… absolutely nothing to be gained.

Willis vs Davis is a master stroke comeback by National as Davis is really a sham deputy and isn’t up to debating. A defensive manouvour to gain the moral upper hand by saying Labour is pulling out.

It’s all just the game of politics and part of the entertainment

Apparently luxon lost interest because all he wants to do is maths debate.

 

[Noitall]

Except that he is in a minority and doesn't have the people behind him. Dangerous man.

Guess he’s Seymour but at the other end of the spectrum for some.

 

[John Nick]

It started with Labour incorrectly claiming National was pulling out when it’s actually Hipkins got covid so had to cancel. Straight misinformation. Hipkins couldn’t make it and had to cancel.

The media’s want it to go ahead for content so are making drama and running with the ‘National pulling out’ misinformation angle to pressure them.

National, being up in the polls have taken the opportunity to sit on their lead and not take a risk. Especially as it’s a very left leaning stuff run debate. Utu… Yea, they could reschedule but why take the risk… absolutely nothing to be gained.

Willis vs Davis is a master stroke comeback by National as Davis is really a sham deputy and isn’t up to debating. A defensive manouvour to gain the moral upper hand by saying Labour is pulling out.

It’s all just the game of politics and part of the entertainment

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

a small selection of the wealthiest in the world able to sway things in their favour through donations and power.

Except it’s been a left government for the past 6 years so it isn’t correct that the wealth have all the power.

And you can’t use that as the basis to say democracy is broken.

Democracy isn’t broken., If anything the gripe is with capitalism.

 

[dean]

Guess he’s Seymour but at the other end of the spectrum for some.

Seymour is not proposing doing away with democracy. The only other person to propose this is the stool pidgeon Willie Jackson.

 

[juju]

Except it’s been a left government for the past 6 years so it isn’t correct that the wealth have all the power.

And you can’t use that as the basis to say democracy is broken.

Democracy isn’t broken., If anything the gripe is with capitalism.

Don't you like to go on about the corruption of democracy by the media ?
Or are worried about TPM view on democracy

But don't seem at all concerned about hypocrisy of the corruption of democracy by party fundraising.

Was really interesting in the Winnie and Jack Tame stoush - Winnie saying Tame is beholden to his pay masters.
Isn't Winnie to NZF funders?

 

[tyrael]

And you can’t use that as the basis to say democracy is broken.

Does National win at all if they had same donations as labour.

You are correct the problem is with capitalism. The thing is the top parties get the most donations and get to stay on top. Would be great if some of the minor parties had money to even advertise.

 

[miket12]

Apparently luxon lost interest because all he wants to do is maths debate.

I found Hipkins answers on the cancelled debate this morning a little confusing.... he said it couldn't be a debate between the deputies like National suggested as The Press wanted it to "be a leaders debate". But latter in the same interview he said National had rejected the idea of it being changed to a debate between Luxon and GrantR..... sorry Hippy, but that also wouldn't be a leaders debate either..... unless there has been a coup over the Labour leadership which no one knows about.

 

[miket12]

Does National win at all if they had same donations as labour.

You are correct the problem is with capitalism. The thing is the top parties get the most donations and get to stay on top. Would be great if some of the minor parties had money to even advertise.

It's interesting that people question how much National is influenced by the 22% of donations it receives from businesses.... but why don't the same people question the influence unions, who provided 29% of Labour's donations, have over the direction of the Labour party? Which has even more control over Labour than business has over National, because if the Labour caucus is split over electing a new Leader, the Unions get involved with the voting process.

Imagine the uproar there would be if National changed its constitution to allow the Business Round Table or the Federated Farmer Farmers to help elect their next Leader.