A bit sounds familiar here too - https://www.theguardian.com/comment...sunak-javier-milei-donald-trump-atlas-network
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No surprises this lot are members of the atlas network - https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
Likewise the neoliberal thinktank the NZ initiative - https://newsroom.co.nz/2020/10/21/who-the-hell-is-gideon-rozner-anyway/
Likewise the neoliberal thinktank the NZ initiative - https://newsroom.co.nz/2020/10/21/who-the-hell-is-gideon-rozner-anyway/
Big movement in subscription from 2020-2023.
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Some facts about the smoking debate:
- NZ has the second highest cigarette prices in the world behind Australia. Asia costs about a tenth of NZ pricing.
- about 10% of cigarettes sold in NZ are currently on the black market. Import at 10% and markup…
- our high prices are directly linked to a high and increasing black market
If we tried to ban smoking and/or reduce outlets it just seems more and more will be done outside the official system.
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- NZ has the second highest cigarette prices in the world behind Australia. Asia costs about a tenth of NZ pricing.
- about 10% of cigarettes sold in NZ are currently on the black market. Import at 10% and markup…
- our high prices are directly linked to a high and increasing black market
If we tried to ban smoking and/or reduce outlets it just seems more and more will be done outside the official system.
Jarrod Gilbert: Why Luxon was right about the tobacco black market
OPINION: When Luxon said our smokefree laws would form a black market, he wasn't wrong.
Probably would push it towards the black market but still not a good policy.Some facts about the smoking debate:
- NZ has the second highest cigarette prices in the world behind Australia. Asia costs about a tenth of NZ pricing.
- about 10% of cigarettes sold in NZ are currently on the black market. Import at 10% and markup…
- our high prices are directly linked to a high and increasing black market
If we tried to ban smoking and/or reduce outlets it just seems more and more will be done outside the official system.
Jarrod Gilbert: Why Luxon was right about the tobacco black market
OPINION: When Luxon said our smokefree laws would form a black market, he wasn't wrong.
Just another dead rat Luxon had to swallow to get the PMs job
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While I think it was a stupid idea to drop the Smokefree legislation, it also think there’s a degree of hypocrisy about how people who say they want prohibition for smoking and don’t think the government should be collecting as much tax from it also highlight how much money the government is missing out on by having a prohibition on marijuana. While the argument is the health impact of one over the other, there’s still the revenue and prohibition to consider.Probably would push it towards the black market but still not a good policy.
Just another dead rat Luxon had to swallow to get the PMs job
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Fair comment but he backed himself into a corner promising tax cuts with the foreign buyers policy and when he was forced to abandon that he was locked into something to cover his arse
Same thing happened to Jacinda in 2017. One of Labour’s main election promises was the Airport Light Rail project. That was deliberately left out of the agreement with NZ First because Labour knew NZF were opposed to it.
I think of it this way….. most election promises are only enticements to gain voters these days and will be dropped, changed by a party or adopted by a Government in order to get a coalition agreement through.
Sucks, I know, but that’s what happens with MMP (except 2020’s COVID election).
Agreed but the article about smoking and the black market isn't the reason for the dropping of the smoking legislation.
Just a nonsense by the media trying to justify the fact
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That's like saying 100% of the MDMA market was pushing to the black market because we banned it. It's like duh.
The difference with cigarettes is that it doesn't give you a high like all the other drugs. Only the people who are addicted will go to the black market. New people will not go underground to smoke cigarettes. Those new people will vape.
I think Nationals policy of not banning smoking is ridiculous. If they want more taxes, then slap another 20% on vapes, that would get them a lot more money and deter more people to start even if it's marginal.
My thoughts also.
The original article is a media biased article.
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How so?
Growing your own is not that easy so it would rely on an increase in illicit imports.
Most imports are coming from the Asian market for that groups own use
I don’t think Customs would be slow in upping their ability to protect the border
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National and Act have been corrupted by the tobacco industry
And their search for power. Dangerous stuff
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I think Charter schools have their place and don't think it is a waste of money. A recent overseas report where charter schools have been in place for longer showed them out performing the more traditional public system. The only ones who appeared to want them gone were Labour and surprise, surprise the teachers union. The problem we now have is that we have something that is different to mainstream, that helps particularly with māori and Pacific Islanders education but will be repealed when there is a change in government. That doesn't give certainly for these schools and would create a lot of changing back and forth over a relatively short period of time.
Do you know how much money is spent per student compared to public schools?
I would accept it if charter schools were at a 90+% success rate but they don't. Use that money where it can improve outcomes. Kaupapa māori schools could probably use more funding.
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3 that failed to receive the final 1% of funding and mainly with a majority of priority learners that were likely to fall through the cracks. How many public schools are under 90% at that same time? And what was their penalties?Do you know how much money is spent per student compared to public schools?
I would accept it if charter schools were at a 90+% success rate but they don't. Use that money where it can improve outcomes. Kaupapa māori schools could probably use more funding.
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I have a fair idea of the costs. What are the associated costs of those that don't get the help with their education?
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From the article:Do you know how much money is spent per student compared to public schools?
I would accept it if charter schools were at a 90+% success rate but they don't. Use that money where it can improve outcomes. Kaupapa māori schools could probably use more funding.
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‘It was unreasonable to expect a school with priority learners to reach 85 per cent of students above standard in reading, writing and maths when in some cases they had only had those students for a short period of time, he said.’
The PUBLIC system in 2022 had a pass rate of just 65%. The average public school is 20% below the charter school expectations who have the added challenge of predominantly priority learners…
Hipkin’s criticism, based on those stats, just shows his ideology and teacher union backers who hate charter schools.
NCEA and UE 2022 attainment data now available - NZQA
The New Zealand Qualifications Authority has released finalised data from 2022, showing attainment of NCEA Levels 3 and University Entrance are similar to the 2019 pre-COVID levels.
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I'm old enough to remember when charter schools started to be given public monies. Prior to that they were predominitely church- based.
The average kiwi was outraged that such exclusive, privately-owned and supported schools (through rich and priviledged sectors like farmers - even though they were the most govt subsidised industries around) could partake of the limited public purse. Guess which de ile schools had to grin and bear reduced funding?
