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[Noitall]

'His life could have been saved': Woman sentenced after leaving dog to die with maggot infested wounds

Due to the extreme pain the dog was in and the extent of his infections, the decision was made to euthanise him.

www.newshub.co.nz

Absolutely despicable this sort of shit. Would like to see harsher penalties for offenders other than not owning an animal for a few years brought in by government, especially with the amount of deaths that have been attributed to dogs up north in recent times. Not holding my breath on much happening around animal welfare with a resumption of live exporting on the cards.

 

[Juno]

sooo SaaS, who??, someone who makes movies, and a sailing club?!?…

Your Honor the defense rests.

sooo SaaS, who??, someone who makes movies, and a sailing club?!?…
I said of the top of my head in that moment?
Anyway, some moviemaker he is! And TeamNZ have been yachting innovators for years. Rod Drury took Xero from a small accounting programme to a world influence in the accounts management....all entrepeneurs in technologicaal fields, including Ian Taylor.
I could make a much bigger list but from your first post not sure you would entertain the idea that actually, we're per capita an entrepreneurial country.
Do entrepreneurs get enough backing here is another story

 

[BabylonPink]

Have you got fucking learning difficulties? So your version of a debate is just strawman all day. Bring in unrelated topics.

If you can’t or wont challenge the point, then what are you even doing replying .

Is this linked to which point?

You’re the dope that introduced random SEA countries.

Who said anything about copying their housing policies?

Who said anything about copying their housing policies?

Hilarious that you can’t even consider anything outside the status quo

“bUT WHo WILl be tHe LaNDlORds?” He cries in fear

I think I've noticed Kiwis are usually a lot more conservative than Aussies.
My mum was a kiwi and dad Aussie but raised in Australia my whole life , dual citizen.
They like dont have as strong labour movement... trade unions , award wages , Jack Lang , Gough Whitlam the whole 888 movement.
Maybe I just don't know anything about NZ.

 

[marv.]

Is that you Bruce?

LINK??

 

[dean]

If small investors didn't own rental properties, who would?
Corporate investors, thats who. And what do corporates invest in? Stuff that has growth potential, income stream and capital return for their shareholders.

 

[miket12]

Have you got fucking learning difficulties? So your version of a debate is just strawman all day. Bring in unrelated topics.

Really.... you mentioned NZ should follow South-East Asian countries (and you used South Korea and then Singapore as examples) to be supercharged economies because they investments aren't in property speculation, and you don't like it when you're shown to be wrong. But they're supercharged economies has been at the expense creating more properties leading to their housing being significantly less affordable than NZ.

Is this linked to which point?

You’re the dope that introduced random SEA countries.

I linked your post because it shows when you introduced random SE-A countries (highlighting South Kerea) into the conversation. Then later, you moved the conservation on to Singapore. The reason I used them wasn't to randomly pick them but to respond to you using the countries you introduced.

Who said anything about copying their housing policies?

Because their underinvestment in housing to supercharge their economies has led to their housing becoming much more unaffordable than NZ. There needs to be a balance in providing all the needs of a population including housing.

Who said anything about copying their housing policies?

Because their underinvestment in housing to supercharge their economies has led to their housing becoming much more unaffordable than NZ. There needs to be a balance in providing all the needs of a population including housing.

Hilarious that you can’t even consider anything outside the status quo

“bUT WHo WILl be tHe LaNDlORds?” He cries in fear

Sorry, but you started replying to me when I offered a solution "outside of the status quo" which wouldn't benefit landlords but renters.

You haven't provided anything for us to consider... only to offer up other countries as examples of where NZ should look at and then get upset when you're shown that their housing situations are worse than ours.

The problem you people like yourself is you don't see the need for balance.... which is why you refuse to answer one very simple question..... if the private sector doesn't provide the housing, who will? Kāinga Ora? Their current debt level is set to peak in 2033 at just under $30 billion and is due to be repaid by 2081..... except they won't have been able to repay it all and will still owe $9 billion.... and that's without committing to building more houses if NZ stopped it's "dependance of property speculation" as you love to say. That $30 billion debt is only covering the less than 15% of rental properties in NZ.... the rest is owned by the private sector. Even if a further 15% of the private sector was to leave housing to invest their money into "productive sectors" and that vaccum was taken up by Kāinga Ora, that would increase their debt to over $60 billion. Anyone want to guess how much of that will still not be repaid within the next 60 years.

Again, you remove the private sector, who provides that accommodation?

Auckland currently has a net migration of approximately 80,000 people in the year to September 2023 yet AC issued less than 8,000 CCC's (including apartments) over the same period. We're already not building enough dwellings and people think the solution is not to invest in the sector and to build less.... that thinking has led to the crisis in housing in SE-A as shown in the two countries you brought into the conversation.

The lack of rental properties is one of the reasons medium rents have risen by of $70 per week (11%) in Auckland. BOP, rents are up 10% because landlords reduced the amount of rental accommodation by changing them to Air BnB's as Air BnB owners can still claim the mortgage interest deductions. Recent articles are suggesting that rents will rise up even further because of the lack of supply to meet the migration numbers.

 

[juju]

If small investors didn't own rental properties, who would?
Corporate investors, thats who. And what do corporates invest in? Stuff that has growth potential, income stream and capital return for their shareholders.

What if the controls around this are adjusted in a way to make it unappealing to corporate investors?
And backed by a government social investment policy behind housing?

It can be done - but not with a politic set up with parties funded by the property industry and a generation who think it's their god given right to make as much money as they can from it all

 

[miket12]

What if the controls around this are adjusted in a way to make it unappealing to corporate investors?
And backed by a government social investment policy behind housing?

It can be done - but not with a politic set up with parties funded by the property industry and a generation who think it's their god given right to make as much money as they can from it all

Part of the reason why property investing is used is because of the "safety" aspect of it. Invest $150,000 into a business and it goes under with 12 months, you've likely to have lost all your money. Invest the $150,000 into a $750,000 but things go south (i.e. can't be rented or is damaged) and you need to sell it at $700,000, pay back the bank for their $600,000 and you still walk away with $100,000.

Generations have always had areas they wanted to invest in where they thought they would make money. Pre-1980 and it was subsidied farming, per-1984 it was investing in shares in companies with no substance (Chase, Equiticorp, etc.), then kiwifruit, then dot.coms, then finance companies. Compared to those, housing is seen as a safer option.

All that said, I have more invested directly into my own businesses and shares/funds than I do in the rental market. My preference is to diversify as much as possible.

 

[dean]

HNZ own about 65000 properties.
They can't properly manage them. They can't develop on their own land effectively. They are billions in debt. They depend on rental subsidies from the Govt for all most all their tenants.
You are suggesting the Govt put up billions more to have a another try? If so, give some outline how this could work because so far it is just a dream.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

If small investors didn't own rental properties, who would?
Corporate investors, thats who. And what do corporates invest in? Stuff that has growth potential, income stream and capital return for their shareholders.

Hahaha fuck me. You guys can’t even see the intellectual cage that you think within.

 

[Rizzah]

What if the controls around this are adjusted in a way to make it unappealing to corporate investors?
And backed by a government social investment policy behind housing?

It can be done - but not with a politic set up with parties funded by the property industry and a generation who think it's their god given right to make as much money as they can from it all

We want corporate investors ala what Simplicity Housing is doing, they build at scale. Scale, if done correctly = cheaper.

 

[WahsaurusRex]

'His life could have been saved': Woman sentenced after leaving dog to die with maggot infested wounds

Due to the extreme pain the dog was in and the extent of his infections, the decision was made to euthanise him.

www.newshub.co.nz

Absolutely despicable this sort of shit. Would like to see harsher penalties for offenders other than not owning an animal for a few years brought in by government, especially with the amount of deaths that have been attributed to dogs up north in recent times. Not holding my breath on much happening around animal welfare with a resumption of live exporting on the cards.

This shit seriously arks me up. Being banned from owning a dog for three years is fuck all, it should be for life, plus a nice big monetary fine and a tonne of community service at least

I wish owning a dog was more like a gun- You need to be vetted to prove you aren't a cunt, get a license to own one, and each one must be registered (and neutered/spayed).

Would hopefully weed out a lot of the fuckwits, and the farmers, hunters, and people that actually want a companion will go through the effort. Those who illegally own one, and treat them poorly can have the book thrown at them.

 

[juju]

Part of the reason why property investing is used is because of the "safety" aspect of it. Invest $150,000 into a business and it goes under with 12 months, you've likely to have lost all your money. Invest the $150,000 into a $750,000 but things go south (i.e. can't be rented or is damaged) and you need to sell it at $700,000, pay back the bank for their $600,000 and you still walk away with $100,000.

Generations have always had areas they wanted to invest in where they thought they would make money. Pre-1980 and it was subsidied farming, per-1984 it was investing in shares in companies with no substance (Chase, Equiticorp, etc.), then kiwifruit, then dot.coms, then finance companies. Compared to those, housing is seen as a safer option.

All that said, I have more invested directly into my own businesses and shares/funds than I do in the rental market. My preference is to diversify as much as possible.

Its not any kind of attack on you.

More that a system has got so wildly out of control & exacerbates the gap between the haves and have nots.
It hasn't been a risk for the last 20 years, infact its been a get rich quick scheme.

It's not even particularly a issue specific to NZ, but has gotten way out of control.

The rhetoric that nothing can be done get's tiring to hear - as does the "you just need to work harder"

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

This shit seriously arks me up. Being banned from owning a dog for three years is fuck all, it should be for life, plus a nice big monetary fine and a tonne of community service at least

I wish owning a dog was more like a gun- You need to be vetted to prove you aren't a cunt, get a license to own one, and each one must be registered (and neutered/spayed).

Would hopefully weed out a lot of the fuckwits, and the farmers, hunters, and people that actually want a companion will go through the effort. Those who illegally own one, and treat them poorly can have the book thrown at them.

Somewhat agree.

It should be a right to own a car, fish, own a gun, eat sugary foods, use a high pressure shower, drive a car, etc.

Having said that, with rights come responsibilities. You stuff up and I support clamping down hard.

But we need to start off from being able to do thing, not only if the state says so. That’s where a lot of people get stuck in poverty traps and the system/ cost does let them rise up again.

Look at the number of unlicensed drivers since they started failing half the kids for drivers tests. Pushed out of the system rather than being encouraged into it. It the flows into so many other areas - eg teenage ram raids or running from the cops. That’s the reason they made it unlimited free resits for drivers tests.

 

[John Nick]

This shit seriously arks me up. Being banned from owning a dog for three years is fuck all, it should be for life, plus a nice big monetary fine and a tonne of community service at least

I wish owning a dog was more like a gun- You need to be vetted to prove you aren't a cunt, get a license to own one, and each one must be registered (and neutered/spayed).

Would hopefully weed out a lot of the fuckwits, and the farmers, hunters, and people that actually want a companion will go through the effort. Those who illegally own one, and treat them poorly can have the book thrown at them.

Love your analogy of the need to be vetted.(first part) anyway.
I would also add to be parents.Unfortunately impossible as we know.

 

[WahsaurusRex]

Love your analogy of the need to be vetted.(first part) anyway.
I would also add to be parents.Unfortunately impossible as we know.

Yep, I admit it is a very unrealistic idea, just comes from being (overly) emotional reading stuff like that story

Even as a dog owner in their early 20s, with no kids, I don't hate the parent's idea either

I do think as we approach Pest-Free, that something similar will need to be implemented for dogs and cats, hopefully, that is sooner rather than later

 

[John Nick]

Yep, I admit it is a very unrealistic idea, just comes from being (overly) emotional reading stuff like that story

Even as a dog owner in their early 20s, with no kids, I don't hate the parent's idea either

I do think as we approach Pest-Free, that something similar will need to be implemented for dogs and cats, hopefully, that is sooner rather than later

Agreed .I was reading the other day of the Mother who was shooting at police so her kids could get away after a ram raid.
What sort of cunts have we got in society.? We have politicians saying they will be hard on crime but how do you fix this shit.
apparently she was a meth user.

 

[miket12]

Its not any kind of attack on you.

More that a system has got so wildly out of control & exacerbates the gap between the haves and have nots.
It hasn't been a risk for the last 20 years, infact its been a get rich quick scheme.

It's not even particularly a issue specific to NZ, but has gotten way out of control.

The rhetoric that nothing can be done get's tiring to hear - as does the "you just need to work harder"

No, I didn’t take it as an attack, just explaining why some see it as a safer option.

Things can certainly be done…. it hasn’t been talked about much but National agreeing with Act’s policy to remove the shared equity schemes is dumb but at least they are moving in the right direction with removing the restrictions the previous government had with Kāinga Ora developments in places like Paerata Rise and Kumeu to allow more smaller spec builders and private section buyers back into the market on just their preferred larger building companies offering house and land packages. Instead the smaller builders were forced to compete with the existing infill specialists and Kāinga Ora’s open chequebook which saw the absolutely rediculous rise in house values a few years ago.

Add FOMO to that as people thought they were missing out, and prices went throw the roof.

Another way to reduce housing costs would be for council’s to buy land over a certain size and then contract out the development of it. Council then sells that land without the profit margins developers would charge.

Another way is to reduce the cost of developing land…. It used to be less than $15,000 to develop a piece of land if you wanted to subdivide of part of your section….. now with huge increases in RC applications, LNZ lodgments, council contributions any levies, engineering and assets paid for by the developer which are then handed over to the local council, power and communications providers, it can now cost over $120,000 even for the simplistic projects.

I really feel for those starting out now and who can’t go to the Bank of Mum and Dad, while not impossible to buy their first home, it’s getting further and further away without some creative thinking. Which brings me back to my disappointment with the new government‘s decision to remove things like the shared equity scheme. I’d rather KiwiBuild got the boot before that. At least the shared equity plan didn’t push up the prices of non-subsidised houses like KiwiBuild did.

 

[miket12]

Anyone got any idea while Kelvin Davis is leaving? While I didn’t always agree with his corrections changes the few times I’ve interacted with him I found him to be quite reasonable, was prepared to listen and a hard worker. He seemed to represent the people from up north really well…. at least from the distance away that I am.

 

[John Nick]

Anyone got any idea while Kelvin Davis is leaving? While I didn’t always agree with his corrections changes the few times I’ve interacted with him I found him to be quite reasonable, was prepared to listen and a hard worker. He seemed to represent the people from up north really well…. at least from the distance away that I am.

From what I understand is he was offered a job in Australia to do with the indigenous.