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Hipkins mandated 12-18 year olds to get 2 shots in some cases and says he never got the risk advice and blames the health professionals for doing what he mandated. The master of deflection!

Damning - caught out:

The Herald finds a Cabinet paper, in Hipkins’ name, that shows him sharing the CV TAG December advice with Cabinet colleagues in March 2022, which led to the education mandate and vaccine passes ending.

Any other MP misleading an enquiry and when caught, blaming health professionals (when he had mandated the vaccines), would be gone!

Hipkins has no integrity.


The paper from March 2022 is actually what Hipkins used to end the mandates. You can't use a document from 2022 to prove he lied about what he knew in 2021. Even the Ministry of Health has admitted they failed to surface that specific risk advice to Ministers in a timely way. Essentially as soon as it hit his desk, the mandates were gone.. Isn't that a good thing?

To mislead an enquiry would imply intent to deceive. Hipkins defense is that he didn’t remember a specific technical paper from four years ago during a pandemic. Since the Royal Commission itself originally found no evidence the advice was provided to Ministers, it supports the idea that the information was buried in paperwork rather than being a centerpiece of the briefings he received. What else would you like done other than a Royal Commission enquiry??
 
The paper from March 2022 is actually what Hipkins used to end the mandates. You can't use a document from 2022 to prove he lied about what he knew in 2021. Even the Ministry of Health has admitted they failed to surface that specific risk advice to Ministers in a timely way. Essentially as soon as it hit his desk, the mandates were gone.. Isn't that a good thing?

To mislead an enquiry would imply intent to deceive. Hipkins defense is that he didn’t remember a specific technical paper from four years ago during a pandemic. Since the Royal Commission itself originally found no evidence the advice was provided to Ministers, it supports the idea that the information was buried in paperwork rather than being a centerpiece of the briefings he received. What else would you like done other than a Royal Commission enquiry??
And NZ was front of the world for vaccines according to him aye…

And there were β€˜plenty of spaces available in MIQ’…

And the pregnant Bellis MIQ case where he claimed officials treating her well… while she was being treated inhumanely.

No pattern here and Hipkins is perfect. It’s purely just a coincidence that what keeps coming out his mouth is full of shit 🀣


As I’ve said, he’s damaged goods (like Luxon) and both main parties would be better served to go in with fresh faces.
 
And NZ was front of the world for vaccines according to him aye…

And there were β€˜plenty of spaces available in MIQ’…

And the pregnant Bellis MIQ case where he claimed officials treating her well… while she was being treated inhumanely.

No pattern here and Hipkins is perfect. It’s purely just a coincidence that what keeps coming out his mouth is full of shit 🀣
I never said Hipkins was perfect, in fact I have stated he isn't the right person for the job.

But calling this a 'pattern' ignores the reality of the pandemic. On vaccines, NZ waited for full safety approval but still hit 90% before the worst of the virus arrived.. that’s a success not a lie.

Having actually managed an MIQ as well as the security, I have first hand knowledge of how it was so happy to clarify anything on that from an anecdotal perspective.

And Bellis - Hipkins apologised when he realised his officials gave him bad info. In a crisis this big, you trust the experts.. if the experts get it wrong, the Minister is the one who takes the hits sure but you can only trust the advice you are given.
 
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And NZ was front of the world for vaccines according to him aye…

And there were β€˜plenty of spaces available in MIQ’…

And the pregnant Bellis MIQ case where he claimed officials treating her well… while she was being treated inhumanely.

No pattern here and Hipkins is perfect. It’s purely just a coincidence that what keeps coming out his mouth is full of shit 🀣


As I’ve said, he’s damaged goods (like Luxon) and both main parties would be better served to go in with fresh faces.
No, you lied without proof. Again. And you're getting called out on it. Again.
 
What metrics are you using to judge failure during Covid?

Can't disagree with the failure of being education minister going off the obvious metrics.
My posting have been he’s damaged goods and I believe the party should have put the covid years behind them post election by electing a new leader.

3 years later Labours decisions during Covid are still being bought up because Hipkins is still there… they haven’t closed the wound.

Jacinda had to leave the country over Covid and rightly or wrongly he’s tarred with the same brush in many voters eyes.
 
My posting have been he’s damaged goods and I believe the party should have put the covid years behind them post election by electing a new leader.

3 years later Labours decisions during Covid are still being bought up because Hipkins is still there… they haven’t closed the wound.

Jacinda had to leave the country over Covid and rightly or wrongly he’s tarred with the same brush in many voters eyes.
Isn’t he giving your bloke a towelling in the preferred PM polls currently?
 
My posting have been he’s damaged goods and I believe the party should have put the covid years behind them post election by electing a new leader.

3 years later Labours decisions during Covid are still being bought up because Hipkins is still there… they haven’t closed the wound.

Jacinda had to leave the country over Covid and rightly or wrongly he’s tarred with the same brush in many voters eyes.
I understand that and agree with you actually, but you said he was a failure during Covid which is why I asked that question?
 
I understand that and agree with you actually, but you said he was a failure during Covid which is why I asked that question?
Honestly, it was a no win situarion.

They had to pick groups over other groups. The β€˜winners’ will love him, the β€˜losers’ will hate him.

Personally we got locked out of my wife’s fathers dying in hospital after an accident in Auckland because they were publicly saying exemptions are available while when you negotiate the system (even going to the local Mp) you got stonewalled.
 
This is your statment from Friday - a lie.

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Under Hipkins as COVID Response Minister, the government introduced vaccine mandates for some jobs that involved kids.

Hipkins denied receiving the advice to the Covid enquiry that 2 doses might add β€œunnecessary risk” - the herald produced documents in his name sharing the advice he claimed not to have received.

So teens were still subject to the 2 dose mandate requirements while advice existed suggesting 1 dose was safer in mandated roles that Hipkins knew and this wasn’t communicated publicly.

For Hipkins to say its doctors faulty when he mandated the requirement is absurd and lacks credibility.

That’s my OPINION based on the evidence above that’s in the articles I’ve already posted.

Love your passion. My OPINION is you can’t handle any criticism about Clark, Jacinda, Hipkins, etc. It’s so defensive and one eyed it’s entertaining 🀣

Maybe YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
 
Under Hipkins as COVID Response Minister, the government introduced vaccine mandates for some jobs that involved kids.

Hipkins denied receiving the advice to the Covid enquiry that 2 doses might add β€œunnecessary risk” - the herald produced documents in his name sharing the advice he claimed not to have received.

So teens were still subject to the 2 dose mandate requirements while advice existed suggesting 1 dose was safer in mandated roles that Hipkins knew and this wasn’t communicated publicly.

For Hipkins to say its doctors faulty when he mandated the requirement is absurd and lacks credibility.

That’s my OPINION based on the evidence above that’s in the articles I’ve already posted.

Love your passion. My OPINION is you can’t handle any criticism about Clark, Jacinda, Hipkins, etc. It’s so defensive and one eyed it’s entertaining 🀣

Maybe YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Your timeline doesn't add up.

The document the Herald found was in March 2022, the exact time the government used that advice to scrap the mandates.
You can't blame a Minister for not acting on a red flag in 2021 that his own Ministry admitted they didn't properly flag to him until months later. As soon as the technical risk benefit was made clear to Cabinet, the mandates were gone. That's following actual evidence and not an opinion.

 
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