Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[JustLikeStartingOver]

There was an argument by some that when a cannabis referendum was put out there for public vote that the intended smofefree 2025 goal was going to be a contradiction. Wouldn’t be the case now and would go even further towards funding tax cuts.

Weed would be a vote getter for whoever goes for it, would be kind of funny if NACT proposed it next time around as a new source of revenue that comes directly from the pockets of younger working people into the hands of businesses and means they continue there disproportionately large part of the tax take

 

[PullingTeets]

There are many, many charities and organisations that need distributed funding and all do a good job. Cherry picking implies favouritism, and could give the impression of corruption. I already have that impression of this coaltion anyway. They are corrupt.

The new government is literally working on a " trust me bro" basis.
A bunch of absolute clowns

 

[Noitall]

Weed would be a vote getter for whoever goes for it, would be kind of funny if NACT proposed it next time around as a new source of revenue that comes directly from the pockets of younger working people into the hands of businesses and means they continue there disproportionately large part of the tax take

I guess if you’re willing to continue the ability to access such a known health liability to the public, and much more than that of sugar or fats being that cigarettes have tar and glue as ingredients then anything is possible. I agreed with Seymour this morning when I heard him say that the likely outcome would push cigarettes as an underground commodity and make money for the gangs, only thing is I felt exactly the same sentiment towards a cannabis legislation change.

 

[kos]

The new government is literally working on a " trust me bro" basis.
A bunch of absolute clowns

an absolute ''clown show''?

 

[PullingTeets]

an absolute ''clown show''?

An absolute "coalition of cuckold clowns"

 

[kos]

Lets not get into semantics now now now.

As I m in Aus i dont know much about what is going on other than than a tri team of leaders on clock time over 3 years.

I

 

[sup42]

Smoking is a weird one, people stopped because it was eye-wateringly expensive and you could get vapes for next to nothing in comparison.

All the youth vape, rolling back the law to take nicotine out of them and you have to buy them from a special shop is just a sop to dairy owners, ironically they also want to get rid of disposable vapes and hammer anyone selling them to U18s - which was small shops solution to replacing the revenue lost by selling smokes. Not sure it will make a big a difference the veterans who have been smoking for years, now won’t stop, but not sure anyone is going to start picking them up. If your a teen used to vapes as a nicotine delivery system, smokes are pretty harsh in comparison.

The Cancer first coalition will regulate the Vaping industry so that the Tobacco Oligarchs get control over selling Vapes.

Specialists Vaping stores will be legislated to favor sales of Vape products made by the likes of Philip Morris International, British American Tobacco, Imperial Brands, Japan Tobacco International, and China National Tobacco Company.

I had dinner with Winston years ago, a small unhealthy man smoking during dinner, I did wonder how many cancers he had bred over his too long a life span with his passive air pollution of all those smoke in your face encounters.

A friend knew Seymour, they asked him about the decriminalization of cannabis 'We want to let kids from Remuera smoke it without being arrested, while kids from Manurewa get arrested for selling it'

I said to my mate I wish you had of filmed him firing off all his appalling off the record quips.

And when you throw in guns to this discussion (the NRA) - democracy in New Zealand is really at stake here. No one bar a small fringe of right wingers want more tobacco and more guns on our streets. Yet here we have a new epoch where our political system is now proved corrupted by the controls unscrupulous dangerous immoral shadowy industrial criminals.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yep, our economy is in fair shape.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The new government is literally working on a " trust me bro" basis.
A bunch of absolute clowns

2017 coalition agreement never publicly release and the ultimate ‘trust me bro’ with no transparency.

This agreement released publicly with every policy in every area outlined and clarified showing where each party has compromised. Warts and all including unpopular stuff. It’s a lot more open that it needed to be inviting criticism of unpopular policy. The definition of transparency isn’t it?

 

[kos]

The Cancer first coalition will regulate the Vaping industry so that the Tobacco Oligarchs get control over selling Vapes.

Specialists Vaping stores will be legislated to favor sales of Vape products made by the likes of Philip Morris International, British American Tobacco, Imperial Brands, Japan Tobacco International, and China National Tobacco Company.

I had dinner with Winston years ago, a small unhealthy man smoking during dinner, I did wonder how many cancers he had bred over his too long a life span with his passive air pollution of all those smoke in your face encounters.

A friend knew Seymour, they asked him about the decriminalization of cannabis "We want to let kids from Remuera smoke it without being arrested, while kids from Manurewa get arrested for selling it"

I said to my mate I wish you had of filmed him firing off all his appalling off the record quips.

And when you throw in guns to this discussion (the NRA) - democracy in New Zealand is really at stake here. No one bar a small fringe of right wingers want more tobacco and more guns on our streets. Yet here we have a new epoch where our political system is now proved corrupted by the controls unscrupulous dangerous immoral shadowy industrial criminals.

Did Seymour really say that about Manurewa vs Remuera
I find that bloody offensive having grown up in Rewa and actually going back there in 1990 for a few months when I came back from Aus

The vaping tobacco thing is tricky
In Aus the price (taxes increasing year on year) has made vapes and tobacco attractive to crime groups
They openly operate shops selling illegal tobacco ( smuggled in no import duty) and vapes
The gangs have set fire to 40 shops failing to sell their illegal products
Sales through legal shops of Bata Phillip Morris and Imperial have fallen fifty per cent- bear in mind this is is a significant reduction in import duty and gst
The laws are disconnected state to federal and the gangs are tricky. They get raided but oddly there is never much stock in the shop( it’s topped up by a van down the road) so the fines are small and their profits large
I was waiting for a bus outside one of these shops in Bris couple of weeks back and the top up van turned up blocking the bus stop taking his time with two middle eastern types unloading dodgy stuff including nitros oxide.

Maybe just allowing Bata Pm and Imperial to control the trade through legal shops paying import duty and gst is the way to go

But be careful scary shirt here tobacco shop gets burnt down and the six surrounding shops also have to shut down while they are all rebuilt

Mind you I can see insurers saying no we are not going to insure tobacco shops in shopping centres here

 

[sup42]

2017 coalition agreement never publicly release and the ultimate ‘trust me bro’ with no transparency.

This agreement released publicly with every policy in every area outlined and clarified showing where each party has compromised. Warts and all including unpopular stuff. It’s a lot more open that it needed to be inviting criticism of unpopular policy. The definition of transparency isn’t it?

Transparency is a double edged sword, ergo if you read the sea change of opinion in here, the fear of our new Govt is quite...well frightening....for the very reason that it is patently transparent what type of people we have in control of our lives now....that is real transparency.

Real political transparency is not achieved by some Party statement, real transparency is taking away the protection of children from the tobacco industry and the National Riffle association....who needs a bloody media copy from a party.

 

[juju]

2017 coalition agreement never publicly release and the ultimate ‘trust me bro’ with no transparency.

This agreement released publicly with every policy in every area outlined and clarified showing where each party has compromised. Warts and all including unpopular stuff. It’s a lot more open that it needed to be inviting criticism of unpopular policy. The definition of transparency isn’t it?

Crikey Wiz is a dipshit.

https://www.parliament.nz/media/4486/362429780labourandnewzealandfirstcoalitionagreement.pdf

 

[sup42]

Did Seymour really say that about Manurewa vs Remuera
I find that bloody offensive having grown up in Rewa and actually going back there in 1990 for a few months when I came back from Aus

The vaping tobacco thing is tricky
In Aus the price (taxes increasing year on year) has made vapes and tobacco attractive to crime groups
They openly operate shops selling illegal tobacco ( smuggled in no import duty) and vapes
The gangs have set fire to 40 shops failing to sell their illegal products
Sales through legal shops of Bata Phillip Morris and Imperial have fallen fifty per cent- bear in mind this is is a significant reduction in import duty and gst
The laws are disconnected state to federal and the gangs are tricky. They get raided but oddly there is never much stock in the shop( it’s topped up by a van down the road) so the fines are small and their profits large
I was waiting for a bus outside one of these shops in Bris couple of weeks back and the top up van turned up blocking the bus stop taking his time with two middle eastern types unloading dodgy stuff including nitros oxide.

Maybe just allowing Bata Pm and Imperial to control the trade through legal shops paying import duty and gst is the way to go

But be careful scary shirt here tobacco shop gets burnt down and the six surrounding shops also have to shut down while they are all rebuilt

Mind you I can see insurers saying no we are not going to insure tobacco shops in shopping centres here

That tale comes from a very reliable person.

The friend who told me that was a fan of Act until he got to know Seymour.

When you say it aloud the play on words of the Remueras and Manurewas it does not sound like something made up.

 

[Noitall]

2017 coalition agreement never publicly release and the ultimate ‘trust me bro’ with no transparency.

This agreement released publicly with every policy in every area outlined and clarified showing where each party has compromised. Warts and all including unpopular stuff. It’s a lot more open that it needed to be inviting criticism of unpopular policy. The definition of transparency isn’t it?

Nobody knew tobacco was funding tax cuts until this morning? Guess they’ve stated what they want the public to know.

 

[kos]

Did Seymour really say that about Manurewa vs Remuera
I find that bloody offensive having grown up in Rewa and actually going back there in 1990 for a few months when I came back from Aus

The vaping tobacco thing is tricky
In Aus the price (taxes increasing year on year) has made vapes and tobacco attractive to crime groups
They openly operate shops selling illegal tobacco ( smuggled in no import duty) and vapes
The gangs have set fire to 40 shops failing to sell their illegal products
Sales through legal shops of Bata Phillip Morris and Imperial have fallen fifty per cent- bear in mind this is is a significant reduction in import duty and gst
The laws are disconnected state to federal and the gangs are tricky. They get raided but oddly there is never much stock in the shop( it’s topped up by a van down the road) so the fines are small and their profits large
I was waiting for a bus outside one of these shops in Bris couple of weeks back and the top up van turned up blocking the bus stop taking his time with two middle eastern types unloading dodgy stuff including nitros oxide.

Maybe just allowing Bata Pm and Imperial to control the trade through legal shops paying import duty and gst is the way to go

But be careful scary shirt here tobacco shop gets burnt down and the six surrounding shops also have to shut down while they are all rebuilt

Mind you I can see insurers saying no we are not going to insure tobacco shops in shopping centres here

I should have added the price in the illegal tobacco shops is half the legal shops price

I worked for a 3pl logistics coy warehousing and delivering the pm/ ita products until the end of 2021

 

[sup42]

Did Seymour really say that about Manurewa vs Remuera
I find that bloody offensive having grown up in Rewa and actually going back there in 1990 for a few months when I came back from Aus

The vaping tobacco thing is tricky
In Aus the price (taxes increasing year on year) has made vapes and tobacco attractive to crime groups
They openly operate shops selling illegal tobacco ( smuggled in no import duty) and vapes
The gangs have set fire to 40 shops failing to sell their illegal products
Sales through legal shops of Bata Phillip Morris and Imperial have fallen fifty per cent- bear in mind this is is a significant reduction in import duty and gst
The laws are disconnected state to federal and the gangs are tricky. They get raided but oddly there is never much stock in the shop( it’s topped up by a van down the road) so the fines are small and their profits large
I was waiting for a bus outside one of these shops in Bris couple of weeks back and the top up van turned up blocking the bus stop taking his time with two middle eastern types unloading dodgy stuff including nitros oxide.

Maybe just allowing Bata Pm and Imperial to control the trade through legal shops paying import duty and gst is the way to go

But be careful scary shirt here tobacco shop gets burnt down and the six surrounding shops also have to shut down while they are all rebuilt

Mind you I can see insurers saying no we are not going to insure tobacco shops in shopping centres here

The New Zealand approach to Vaping took the Gangs out of the picture.

Making vapes a Govt approved smoking cesation aid and minimizing regulation and Tax is why we do not have Vape shop ram raids while tobacco outlets here get ram raided weekly because of the very systems you have in Australia are the same as NZ for cigarettes i.e uber taxation and regulation.

Vaping in NZ compared to smoking is relatively cheap and therein lies the answer to removing organized crime.

Gangs love prohibition and Tax.

 

[sup42]

I am just wondering here, whether our forumers who support this Govt are nervous in the face of the radical backward steps in health with smoking goes?

Given we all know this is being driven by a sell out to Global Tobacco?

Honestly, are any of you people who voted for this lot not concerned at all?

Or are you a bit worried?

Head in the sand? or some conscience twinges?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The New Zealand approach to Vaping took the Gangs out of the picture.

Making vapes a Govt approved smoking cesation aid and minimizing regulation and Tax is why we do not have Vape shop ram raids while tobacco outlets here get ram raided weekly because of the very systems you have in Australia are the same as NZ for cigarettes i.e uber taxation and regulation.

Vaping in NZ compared to smoking is relatively cheap and therein lies the answer to removing organized crime.

Gangs love prohibition and Tax.

It’s a tricky one. Government is trying to force change.

Vaping has been a huge negative unintended consequences with more young people vaping than ever smoked with potentially worse health outcomes.

There is no easy outcome other than stoping the drivers of smoking and making people want to change themselves.

 

[kos]

I am just wondering here, whether our forumers who support this Govt are nervous in the face of the radical backward steps in health with smoking goes?

Given we all know this is being driven by a sell out to Global Tobacco?

Honestly, are any of you people who voted for this lot not concerned at all?

Or are you a bit worried?

Head in the sand? or some conscience twinges?

Where’s the dodgy party?
Nzf
Act
Nats
?

 

[PullingTeets]

2017 coalition agreement never publicly release and the ultimate ‘trust me bro’ with no transparency.

This agreement released publicly with every policy in every area outlined and clarified showing where each party has compromised. Warts and all including unpopular stuff. It’s a lot more open that it needed to be inviting criticism of unpopular policy. The definition of transparency isn’t it?

Are you slightly retarded, you're forever rewriting history