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[defensivebomb]

What you’re really saying is that most of us are non-binary?

Most of us like to flip the menu from time to time

 

[Bay39er]

"Democracy Vs Fascism" The muppet is referring to a democratically elected president. Cant even form a coherent argument.

Who can't? You? The democratically elected President? Norman? or all three?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Who can't? You? The democratically elected President? Norman? or all three?

If you think democracy was struggling against fascism in the 1930s then you probably will ponder that question until the end of time.

 

[Worried2Death]

If you think democracy was struggling against fascism in the 1930s then you probably will ponder that question until the end of time.

Was Germany still a democracy in the late 30s?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Was Germany still a democracy in the late 30s?

Technically it ended in 1938. Hitler was still elected and most democratic countries supported him. Remember Britain only declared March, 1939.

If anything it was Communism vs Fascism, but I doubt old Norm wants to make that point.

 

[Worried2Death]

Technically it ended in 1938. Hitler was still elected and most democratic countries supported him. Remember Britain only declared March, 1939.

If anything it was Communism vs Fascism, but I doubt old Norm wants to make that point.

I know there were a minority committed to communist ideology in the 30s, but were they really a threat to German democracy at the time?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Technically it ended in 1938. Hitler was still elected and most democratic countries supported him. Remember Britain only declared March, 1939.

If anything it was Communism vs Fascism, but I doubt old Norm wants to make that point.

Sorry, general research says kaka to hitler being elected in or around the vicinity of 1938, which is what your statement implies. The first few reputable, factual search results report democracy ending in 1933/early 1934.

Also, more kaka in the second statement. Most democratic countries did NOT support hitler pre and during the war. Support is of course ambiguous.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I know there were a minority committed to communist ideology in the 30s, but were they really a threat to German democracy at the time?

Only a minority committed to communist ideology in the 30's?????!?
**Laughs in Bolshevik**

My brother in christ, Mussolini created an entire new national political ideology specifically to combat the communists.

 

[Worried2Death]

Most democratic countries did NOT support hitler pre and during the war. Support is of course ambiguous.

Agree it was pockets of support, the American bund and British aristocracy.
Have you seen the tv show Outrageous about the Mitford sisters? Moderately interesting study of the fascist/communist division in the 30s.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Agree it was pockets of support, the American bund and British aristocracy.
Have you seen the tv show Outrageous about the Mitford sisters? Moderately interesting study of the fascist/communist division in the 30s.

More appeasement than support.

No, my viewing only extends to rugby league and Julie Andrews (dammit w2d, you've triggered me again)

 

[Worried2Death]

No, my viewing only extends to rugby league and Julie Andrews (dammit w2d, you've triggered me again)

It's sort of like a communist Downton Abbey with hotter chicks, thank me later comrade.
One of them meets Hitler and marries Oswald Mosley though, something for everyone.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The first few reputable, factual search results report democracy ending in 1933/early 1934.

You mean when President Hindenburg was passing laws?

 

[Worried2Death]

You mean when President Hindenburg was passing laws?

How about directly upon his death

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Agree it was pockets of support, the American bund and British aristocracy.

You are confusing Germany & Hitler here. Appeasement was the policy for Germany, not Hitler, what did he need appeasing for? The other pockets were avowed communists

 

[MrFrankWhite]

How about directly upon his death

When 90% of Germans voted for Hitler in 1934?

 

[Worried2Death]

You are confusing Germany & Hitler here. Appeasement was the policy for Germany, not Hitler, what did he need appeasing for? The other pockets were avowed communists

I didn't mention appeasement, internationally there were pockets of support for him and for nazism

 

[Worried2Death]

When 90% of Germans voted for Hitler in 1934?

Was there another election after that though?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Was there another election after that though?

Yes, two parliamentary elections in '36 & '38.

 

[Worried2Death]

Yes, two parliamentary elections in '36 & '38.

*elections in the form of referendums of dubious democratic authenticity at best

 

[Worried2Death]

Yes, two parliamentary elections in '36 & '38.

Hey Frank, not sure if it's the right thread but can you give us a rundown of the pros and cons of classical fascism for our modern societies, can it still work?