Sports πŸ‰ Rugby

Mixed bag representing the whole NRL, Australians and Kiwis.
It's fallen in New Zealand and Australia, Northern Hemisphere it's still doing extremely well. That's more down to our poor administrators and their past decisions than anything
The whole period since professionalism started has been a slow motion car crash for the NZRU - the old blazer brigade were convinced that they had to control all of the game in NZ, where as in the Europe the likes of the French and English rugby unions just let the clubs pay players wages.
 
I was an equal union and league fan until about 2008.

Reasons I disengaged with union and focused on league:

1 - access to players. I distinctly remember Steve Prive on Radio Sport every week around 2008. The inside knowledge, how things happen, the players thoughts on the game, etc. the access to the players and players professionalism wa slight years ahead of union.

2 - as above the media create superstar narratives around players in the NRL. In Union everyone’s equal.

3 - game day experience - league understand tv right make the money and crowd income is somewhat irrelevant in the big picture. Pricing and experience in league is superior

4 - families - league has always had games during family friendly hours to engage younger fans. With profesionalism union went all night games, short term gain, long term decline in new fans

5 - viewability of the game. Union has prioritised a beautiful games. League has focused on moments. Unions kicking, delays, nonstop scrums, etc. boring.

6 - speed of the game. We all know union is plain boring. League has identified with the HIa issues and attention span of our youth to evolve into smaller athletes. You look at players builds now and they are all chiselled whereas in the past bulk padded the body for heavier contact.


A great reputation takes years to foster and is easily lost. Unions as a game is lost and it isn’t coming back fast. It’s on a downwards spiral that’s very hard to break out of.
 
This was a really good podcast that I assume that @Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba has listened to based on his comment about no increase in salaries.
I had never heard this point on South Africa's exit before (from 4:24):

View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0pofsVn54CxIFHOqu6qjzA?si=dsLI9YdbRTaxmoZCAh3rVA&t=264&pi=New64uoxSX2So


Weird they haven’t talked about wahs for ages? Not popping up on my timeline anyway


Super Rugby was initially a brilliant competition, they had the right formula, and then messed with it when it became a you know what measuring contest within SANZAR.

The initial 5, 4, 3 structure between NZ, SA and AUS was about right in terms of markets, player base and interest.

It's actually hilarious how much it's been mismanaged since around 2005. SA wanted more teams and went through the whole court process of the Cheetahs and Southern Kings. Both ended up in URC after failing in Super Rugby and both are now dead as franchise teams at the elite level. Same in Aus, first the Force, then the Rebels. The Force they kicked out then let back in and the Rebels died after losing an astonishing $23m AUD. Invite in Japan, now gone. Invite in Argentina, gone too. Create a new NZ franchise which was never realistic.

What's left is a competition where the original franchises make up the current top 8, and the original SA teams, once they went to franchises, are the ones left in the URC. Surely that's a pretty stark realisation they messed up a good thing with all the duff, non-viable expansions.

Feels like they have two options. Either beg the South Africans to come back and run a 22 home and away game Super 12 season, or collapse the entire thing and go back to a pre-Super 12 style comp where you have, for arguments sake, the top 8 finishers in the previous season's NPC, a Fijian rep side, a Tongan rep side, a Samoan rep side, a Japanese rep side, and the 4 Australian teams in a 4x4 group stage tournament with quarter finals, semis and a final. A bit like the European Rugby Cup or Champions League in football. It could run concurrently with the NPC.

I can't see the current tournament continuing in its current form with 10 teams.

Started watching in 1997 and I think it had a short slump after the 2007 world cup disaster and then it did well till 2019 with Japan hosting the world cup, Argentina improving as a team and national side, SA still in the comp and winning the WC, then post covid it went to crap and Webby took over the warriors in 2023

The blues vs crusaders 2022 final was still an event but it’s just got worse since
 
The rugby administrators have some challenges ahead of them. The Rebels and now Moana Pasifika folding due to financial issues. The competition in effect shrinking is a tough sell to broadcasters.

Before the NRL got out of the 10 year deal signed after the Super League war they were struggling financially. Clubs close to going under. The NRL would step in similar reasons to their concerns during covid. They are contracted for a specific amount of games per week.

The broadcasters will want a stable competition and to know they will get the number of games they are paying for. Also now it means less when they negotiate they have less content to provide the broadcasters.

About 10 years ago they were obsessed with expansion with teams in Argentina and Japan. Covid may have just sped things up in terms of the competition shrinking. I know South Africa leaving is often sighted as a big thing. Football wise it would be good having them. The financial side was overated in my opinion.

The current structure is more workable. Your team won't go missing for a few weeks while they play in South Africa. I doubt many people were watching those games live.
 
I see these ads for super rugby with kfc…why can’t they get healthy food companies to sponsor it, we know all the hospital clogs and obesity/poor health in this country and they are pushing the fans and kids to the junkiest food to clog up the capillaries

Even Wendy’s is not as fried and oily as kfc

A lot of medicine and junk food commercials and promos but lack of healthy nutrition awareness campaigns
 
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