Social 🍎 A Weighty Issue

[kos]

Keep up the good work Bruce
Sounds like your dietician is an effective help!

 

[Bruce]

Keep up the good work Bruce
Sounds like your dietician is an effective help!

Thanks brother, just to make clear, she is no more expensive than Jenny Craig, although the first meeting wasn't cheap....but that goes/went for Jenny Craig too.

No wonder they went broke.

 

[kos]

The trouble with just putting your own money aside for health issues is discipline and the competition for other spending roads.
We pay $a 247 a fortnight as a couple. To a not for profit health insurer
That’s for extras and hospital but in Aus you still end up with awful gap fees for operations.
There is multiplicity of health insurers in Aus so there is some competition.
Nz - not so much competition in this area?

 

[Bruce]

The trouble with just putting your own money aside for health issues is discipline and the competition for other spending roads.
We pay $a 247 a fortnight as a couple. To a not for profit health insurer
That’s for extras and hospital but in Aus you still end up with awful gap fees for operations.
There is multiplicity of health insurers in Aus so there is some competition.
Nz - not so much competition in this area?

Age is the issue. When young the premiums are a drop in the bucket.

As you age they sneak up on you, especially if you are earning a bit. It took covid to wake me up about it.

 

[kos]

The only way to succeed when you over 60 is to own your own home

There s no way renters (over 60) can afford health insurance and a bucket load of other stuff

We ll just keep paying the health insurance until it becomes absolute unaffordable.
I try to keep as fit as possible eat properly no alcohol all partly to keep the expense of bad health away.

 

[Beastmode]

The trouble with just putting your own money aside for health issues is discipline and the competition for other spending roads.
We pay $a 247 a fortnight as a couple. To a not for profit health insurer
That’s for extras and hospital but in Aus you still end up with awful gap fees for operations.
There is multiplicity of health insurers in Aus so there is some competition.
Nz - not so much competition in this area?

that sounds like a pretty good deal, can i ask what this covers??

I'm paying ~$120 a month for my wife, whose family on both sides have a history of cancer so the $120 covers any and all forms of cancer.. but nothing else... using ami

 

[kos]

that sounds like a pretty good deal, can i ask what this covers??

I'm paying ~$120 a month for my wife, whose family on both sides have a history of cancer so the $120 covers any and all forms of cancer.. but nothing else... using ami

Hospital much of everything but bear in mind the Aus gap fees
It also pays extras like per person
Dental approx 2.5 k
REM massage $600
Myotherapy physio $600
Podiatry $800
Optometrist glasses $250 bear in mind Oz gov pay for eye tests
Theres also some no prescription expenses on some items up to $400

Oz gov pay for for hearing aids consults batteries unless you are over the assets limit ie means tested
There’s a few other things too we don’t use like chiro
Pyshciatrists ( spell)

The Oz public hospitals are overloaded like nz
Want a hip op in Oz on public health guessing three year wait
So this is where private health insurance is a positive
Does it stack up financially- prob not
Does it stack up for peace of mind- yes

I got to get cataracts done next year- no worries- my policy covers it

 

[pbrown011235]

I found this interesting.....

Don’t cheer the scale: doctors and dieticians untangling body size from health

Healthcare professionals, from advanced sports dieticians to general practitioners, are increasingly trading a focus on weight for other, more robust health measures

www.theguardian.com

I think more people are realising just how complex the relationship between diet/weight/exercise/stress/genetics etc is

BMI is a nonsense as is calories in v calories burned

 

[snake77]

I found this interesting.....

Don’t cheer the scale: doctors and dieticians untangling body size from health

Healthcare professionals, from advanced sports dieticians to general practitioners, are increasingly trading a focus on weight for other, more robust health measures

www.theguardian.com

I think more people are realising just how complex the relationship between diet/weight/exercise/stress/genetics etc is

BMI is a nonsense as is calories in v calories burned

The part about the athletes isn't too bad. As there is more to performance than weight. You need some weight to handle the knocks or lose during the season. Later in the article, it gets a bit worrying as it starts to sound like some of the fat acceptance propaganda we get occasionally here. I get looking at more items than just weight but in general, weight is a big indicator.

Not weighing someone as they refuse is dangerous. I'll leave out someone that is anorexic as they would have a stigma to it and need to be managed. But if you are overweight they should be recording your weight. This is coming from someone who had issues due to weight and needing to lose body fat and that was only being a 5 kgs overweight. There are a lot of morbidly obese people refusing to get weighed as they believe that they are healthy at 400 pounds.

BMI isn't perfect but it is fine for the majority of the population. It really only becomes a problem if you are carrying muscle.

Waste to height ratio which they briefly mention would be better or using a combination of both.

Calroies in, calories out is what is. If you want to lose weight you need to be in a calorie deficient, if you want to put on weight either due to being underweight or want to put on muscle you need to be in a surplus. All of the different diets you see or fasting no matter what miracles they try and tell is just a way of getting into a surplus.

The quote about it being more complex than eating less and moving more is technically correct. There is more to calories in vs calories out than that. That is a simple way to describe it.

 

[snake77]

Good evening ladies and jellybeans..

I made my second visit to the dietician this week. Three weeks after my first.

I have lost 3 kilograms in that time. It was all fat.
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They know because they have a fancy machine that differentiates between fat and muscle.
So it didn't affect my heart, like the last diet did.

The cost of the dietitian is working out to be very reasonable compared with the now defunct Jenny Craig.
The Jenny Craig food saved weight but was very expensive. The stuff I get now is just standard from PakNSave.

Now the bread thing. I was was always reading the sugar content, she said no, just read the calories per 100gm.

It turns out Vogels has HALF the calories of a similar slice of Cape Seed loaf!!! So I truly was eating a mince and cheese pie worth of calories because I had changed from Vogels.

So I asked how come the sugar content was the same. She said it wasn't the sugar content, it was the type of flour. So there you go.

Just gotta say, the Cape Seed loaf was bloody delicious, not as nice as a dram of the Macallan though.

I haven't touched any fruit, and she said I won't be. I asked about vitamin C and fibre. She said all the salads I am eating have more than enough.

Good work. I wouldn't worry about the 500 grams you mentioned the other week the main thing is over a longer period you are tracking the way you want to. In your case down.

Vogels or the lower-carb bread from Freya's are my go-to for bread. Vogels I'll skip for toasted sandwiches or french toast. Those two things may alarm but my toasted sandwiches are stuffed with chicken, spinach, onion and capsicum. The cheese is minimal to stick it together. The french toast is made up of egg whites. So both options are high in protein.

What is her rationale around fruit?
There was a lot people pushing fructose a few years ago. Mostly from low-carb or the fasting people. Even an Australian University lecturer whose main point is the difference between a glucose molecule vs a fructose molecule.

One person I follow has gone over it a few times.

1. The benefits of the vitamin c, fibre or other nutrients out weight the fructose which is minor.
2. Calculate the amount of fruit you would need to eat for fructose to be a problem. Who is eating 20+ bananas in one sitting. Fruit isn't addictive like candy like they try and push when they go on about fructose.
3. A university lecturer who studied fructose said it is a non issue.

I think he's also debunked the way it gets digested which the fructose haters like to push. It basically gets digested like everything else.

The funniest one was one of the biggest low carb/fasting YT channels was on American morning TV pushing his shake and deriding bananas. Another channel I follow with a Sports Scientist made a remake "Why are you listening to this idiot, he just compared a banana to chocolate". That low cab/fasting channel has now said his fructose messaging was wrong. He said he'd delete the videos but the last few times I looked they were still there. I guess the money off the videos was too good.

A fitness channel based off science put me onto kiwi fruit. The benefits of the vitamin c or fibre would outweigh any stigma with fruit. fibre helps you lose weight as it is digested faster.

You can't go wrong with eating vegetables. I eat a lot and when I had health issues I was eating a huge amount along with a huge egg white omelette and still losing a lot of weight. I just don't get the whole demonising fruit thing.

 

[Bruce]

You can't go wrong with eating vegetables.

Of course not, but you need protein as well. If you want keep eating because you are hungry binge on vegetables.

I just don't get the whole demonising fruit thing.

She was talking to me, as a prediabetic. I think you will find most advice for diabetics is to be cautious with fruit.

It works like this, if you have a sugar problem, and you have a sudden spike in carbohydrate, then the excess carbohydrates quickly turn to fat.

Everybody is different.

For example my missus is a junk food junky, and she loves sweet stuff, sweeter the better, and as for fat...heyzeuss spare me, chocolates, fish and chips, KFC, pizzas... yet she is amazingly slim, and all her medical tests show her to be immensely healthy.

I have a life long buddy, another junk food junky, smokes like a chimney, and is a mild piss head to boot.
When we were younger I was a fitness fanatic, yet if I had anything like sugar in a coffee my weight would spike, even then.

In comparison he had an active life, but exercise was a no no, like why bother. Yet he is still the same lean bastard he always was, the prick!!!

So nothing personal ladies and jellybeans, us fat bastards are born that way and have to fight to stay normal.

Not everybody has to do that.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

When we were younger I was a fitness fanatic, yet if I had anything like sugar in a coffee my weight would spike, even then.

In comparison he had an active life, but exercise was a no no, like why bother. Yet he is still the same lean bastard he always was, the prick!!!

if you don’t eat healthy you miss out on vitamins and minerals and can struggle to put of weight because while your eating quantity of junk food, your not actually eating quality and nourishing your body.

So you can be skinny but not healthy. And that flows into low energy, so less exercise, etc.

 

[Bruce]

if you don’t eat healthy you miss out on vitamins and minerals and can struggle to put of weight because while your eating quantity of junk food, your not actually eating quality and nourishing your body.

So you can be skinny but not healthy. And that flows into low energy, so less exercise, etc.

My wife is a ball of energy

 

[kos]

AFAIK women retire from bedroom activity at approx 55 - 60 - shop is closed

 

[sup42]

I find Bakers Delight tries hard but it aint the best by a long shot.
I reckon that thinly cut Vogels is just great for taste ingredient and calories.
Where does she get the sourdough from.... Foodstuffs/Countdown or an independent.

Bakers delight, McDonalds, and Arnotts got their flour from the Auckland flour mills in Otahuhu. The flour mill is owned by Australians, and the wheat comes from Australia.

My father in law used to run the plant. We would get free Bakers delight and Arnotts biscuits.

McDonalds flour gets sugar added to make those slightly sweet buns they make their burgers with.

I used to add the secret ingredients from the mill to make homemade experimental dough mixtures, in search of the perfect hot fluffy bread, sour dough, heavy bread, baps, you name it.

Now days I am on a keto slash low carb diet, been at it all of seven days. Going ok, I am trying to learn what fast food you can get away with that can be delivered cooked for convenience.

Tonight I tried Nandos for the first time, a wrap, after reading in here that it is not too bad.

Otherwise I tried the wheat bread Subway.

And Sushi is the other thing I have had delivered for a lower calorie takeaway.

I wish I knew more food delivery options that are actually low carb to try.

Oh and I forgot Chop Suey from the Chinese takeaway, no noodles.

 

[Bruce]

AFAIK women retire from bedroom activity at approx 55 - 60 - shop is closed

It is called like being married to your sister

 

[Bruce]

Bakers delight, McDonalds, and Arnotts got their flour from the Auckland flour mills in Otahuhu. The flour mill is owned by Australians, and the wheat comes from Australia.

My father in law used to run the plant. We would get free Bakers delight and Arnotts biscuits.

McDonalds flour gets sugar added to make those slightly sweet buns they make their burgers with.

I used to add the secret ingredients from the mill to make homemade experimental dough mixtures, in search of the perfect hot fluffy bread, sour dough, heavy bread, baps, you name it.

Now days I am on a keto slash low carb diet, been at it all of seven days. Going ok, I am trying to learn what fast food you can get away with that can be delivered cooked for convenience.

Tonight I tried Nandos for the first time, a wrap, after reading in here that it is not too bad.

Otherwise I tried the wheat bread Subway.

And Sushi is the other thing I have had delivered for a lower calorie takeaway.

I wish I knew more food delivery options that are actually low carb to try.

Oh and I forgot Chop Suey from the Chinese takeaway, no noodles.

Lots of non nos in there for me

 

[Beastmode]

It is called like being married to your sister

Please elaborate

 

[Bruce]

Please elaborate

With some races the term is used "like being married to your sister", as in you have deep love for each other but sex doesn't come into it.

 

[kos]

Bakers delight, McDonalds, and Arnotts got their flour from the Auckland flour mills in Otahuhu. The flour mill is owned by Australians, and the wheat comes from Australia.

My father in law used to run the plant. We would get free Bakers delight and Arnotts biscuits.

McDonalds flour gets sugar added to make those slightly sweet buns they make their burgers with.

I used to add the secret ingredients from the mill to make homemade experimental dough mixtures, in search of the perfect hot fluffy bread, sour dough, heavy bread, baps, you name it.

Now days I am on a keto slash low carb diet, been at it all of seven days. Going ok, I am trying to learn what fast food you can get away with that can be delivered cooked for convenience.

Tonight I tried Nandos for the first time, a wrap, after reading in here that it is not too bad.

Otherwise I tried the wheat bread Subway.

And Sushi is the other thing I have had delivered for a lower calorie takeaway.

I wish I knew more food delivery options that are actually low carb to try.

Oh and I forgot Chop Suey from the Chinese takeaway, no noodles.

Well the added sugar to MCD is interesting!
Why do they do that?
Their product is bad without added sugar.

Good to see you keeping Door Dash Uber eats and Menulog peeps contracted.


I m not sure you will find much healthy in takeaway food delivery. Also most operators don’t even use an insulated bag meaning the food is soggy on arrival