Current Affairs 🌡️ Weather / climate change

[wizard of Tauranga]

Oh whatever. Complete bollocks. Man made accelerated climate change is real, happening now, doesn't matter what conspiracy or culture war you want to believe in, records broken daily around the world day in day out, year in, year out. Up the wahs.

Here’s the issue - where is the evidence humanity is suffering? Who cares if records are broken if it doesn’t affect us?

We all hear media pushing about crops dying, droughts, severe storms, ice melting, etc.

But the reality is we have record food to meet the worlds needs, storms and heatwaves aren’t killing anymore people than in the past, damage from storms, etc is comparable to Bola years ago (allowing for inflation and population growth) and we have adapted by raising roads and moving communities where needed.

No countries have sunk and less people are starving.

Change is the only constant and we have adapted and will continue to.

When beach front properties are no longer the most expensive anywhere, then I will start to sit up and take notice…

 

[MaybeTop8]

Here’s the issue - where is the evidence humanity is suffering? Who cares if records are broken if it doesn’t affect us?

We all hear media pushing about crops dying, droughts, severe storms, ice melting, etc.

But the reality is we have record food to meet the worlds needs, storms and heatwaves aren’t killing anymore people than in the past, damage from storms, etc is comparable to Bola years ago (allowing for inflation and population growth) and we have adapted by raising roads and moving communities where needed.

No countries have sunk and less people are starving.

Change is the only constant and we have adapted and will continue to.

When beach front properties are no longer the most expensive anywhere, then I will start to sit up and take notice…

The only thing that stands out is representative and telling - "Who cares if records are broken if it doesn’t affect us?"

The rest of it is as bollocks as the previous commentator's comment

 

[marv.]

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[snake77]

Coldplay are currently here. Have they figured out a way to make touring friendly to the environment?
Or is it like the people that throw tantrums on different social media platforms that they are leaving then come back hoping it won't be mentioned again.

This article has a chart on concerts and their effect on the environment. The audience travel is a lot higher than the band travel. Sure, more numbers of people vs a group travelling together. Not all of the audience will be travelling long distances.

The other thing with band travel. I think they refer to it as basing so to tour Europe they will be based in London or Paris and travel in and out for concerts so the band and their families can stay in the same hotel each night. That would be extra travel. Is that considered for the stats?

Coldplay to pause touring until concerts are 'environmentally beneficial'

The band won't go on a world tour until they can make their concerts "environmentally beneficial".

www.bbc.com

 

[Noitall]

Coldplay are currently here. Have they figured out a way to make touring friendly to the environment?
Or is it like the people that throw tantrums on different social media platforms that they are leaving then come back hoping it won't be mentioned again.

This article has a chart on concerts and their effect on the environment. The audience travel is a lot higher than the band travel. Sure, more numbers of people vs a group travelling together. Not all of the audience will be travelling long distances.

The other thing with band travel. I think they refer to it as basing so to tour Europe they will be based in London or Paris and travel in and out for concerts so the band and their families can stay in the same hotel each night. That would be extra travel. Is that considered for the stats?

Coldplay to pause touring until concerts are 'environmentally beneficial'

The band won't go on a world tour until they can make their concerts "environmentally beneficial".

www.bbc.com

Think there was an article earlier in the year that Taylor Swift is one of the biggest polluters based on this in the world? Not sure how true it is?

 

[snake77]

Think there was an article earlier in the year that Taylor Swift is one of the biggest polluters based on this in the world? Not sure how true it is?

People that fly privately seem to be the most passionate about the environment. The rest of us need to do better.

 

[Noitall]

People that fly privately seem to be the most passionate about the environment. The rest of us need to do better.

It would be fantastic to click our fingers and everything is cleaner and healthier for the environment, but it’s not realistic

 

[snake77]

It would be fantastic to click our fingers and everything is cleaner and healthier for the environment, but it’s not realistic

I work in IT. The amount of packaging can be insane. Last year I had a project where 3 of us spent 1/2 a day at each site unboxing equipment, throwing out polystyrene, cardboard, and metal. Three of us working 4-5 hours solid unboxing machines and getting rid of the waste.

I had another one day this year where two of us filled up a big skip within one day.

It is a bit better now. Used to have to add disks to a storage array. It would be each disk in a separate box with it's own anti static bag and packaging. Now it is one box with disks stored together.

If you search social media and the environment it is mainly about the lithium batteries. When people say it is stored in the cloud it isn't those things in the sky. It will be at a data centre somewhere which is running power 24/7, plus backup power like generators, air conditioning currently running. Then someone like myself removing old equipment and adding in more.

The amount of data we are creating needs to be stored somewhere. Making it available 24/7 and protecting it adds to it.

So when you say click your fingers. We are actually doing the opposite.

 

[Noitall]

I work in IT. The amount of packaging can be insane. Last year I had a project where 3 of us spent 1/2 a day at each site unboxing equipment, throwing out polystyrene, cardboard, and metal. Three of us working 4-5 hours solid unboxing machines and getting rid of the waste.

I had another one day this year where two of us filled up a big skip within one day.

It is a bit better now. Used to have to add disks to a storage array. It would be each disk in a separate box with it's own anti static bag and packaging. Now it is one box with disks stored together.

If you search social media and the environment it is mainly about the lithium batteries. When people say it is stored in the cloud it isn't those things in the sky. It will be at a data centre somewhere which is running power 24/7, plus backup power like generators, air conditioning currently running. Then someone like myself removing old equipment and adding in more.

The amount of data we are creating needs to be stored somewhere. Making it available 24/7 and protecting it adds to it.

So when you say click your fingers. We are actually doing the opposite.

Even a shop at the supermarket, the packaging is crazy in certain items especially. Fish comes in such tough plastic packaging with massive overkill on the amount of plastic to the portion of fish for example. I’ve come to take a dim view of things like plastic that for its handy purposes has become so hard to dispose of and such a pollutant. It’s why I hold the the view I have around sea oil exploration and the like, if it can’t be stopped quickly to preserve the environment then it shouldn’t go ahead in my view. That burst in the Gulf of Mexico years ago was unacceptable. Convenience shouldn’t be prioritised over the environment

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Even a shop at the supermarket, the packaging is crazy in certain items especially. Fish comes in such tough plastic packaging with massive overkill on the amount of plastic to the portion of fish for example. I’ve come to take a dim view of things like plastic that for its handy purposes has become so hard to dispose of and such a pollutant. It’s why I hold the the view I have around sea oil exploration and the like, if it can’t be stopped quickly to preserve the environment then it shouldn’t go ahead in my view. That burst in the Gulf of Mexico years ago was unacceptable. Convenience shouldn’t be prioritised over the environment

Plastic keeps like 2 billion alive. 99% of medical supplies are plastic of some kind

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Plastic keeps like 2 billion alive. 99% of medical supplies are plastic of some kind

And the majority are produced from fossil fuels

 

[Noitall]

Plastic keeps like 2 billion alive. 99% of medical supplies are plastic of some kind

There are definitely great and practical purposes for plastic, it’s just the millions of tonnes that’s not correctly disposed of or put to another use each year that’s the problem

 

[dean]

There are definitely great and practical purposes for plastic, it’s just the millions of tonnes that’s not correctly disposed of or put to another use each year that’s the problem

Talking to the man at the local recyclers the other day. He said lots of plastic sorted by households goes into the landfill. He also said the one major plastic item that is not recyclable are road cones.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

He also said the one major plastic item that is not recyclable are road cones.

Nor wind turbine blades and they use between 300-600 litres of oil in the G/B

 

[Matiunz]

Even a shop at the supermarket, the packaging is crazy in certain items especially. Fish comes in such tough plastic packaging with massive overkill on the amount of plastic to the portion of fish for example. I’ve come to take a dim view of things like plastic that for its handy purposes has become so hard to dispose of and such a pollutant. It’s why I hold the the view I have around sea oil exploration and the like, if it can’t be stopped quickly to preserve the environment then it shouldn’t go ahead in my view. That burst in the Gulf of Mexico years ago was unacceptable. Convenience shouldn’t be prioritised over the environment

I work in the industry and can put you at ease that there is a heap of work being done around alternative packaging and sustainability. One problem is the alternatives are generally sizeably more expensive until the technology becomes more available and efficient- rising costs are a tough sell in a cost of living crisis. However many initiatives have come to fruition eg no single use plastics, no plastic straws/plates/cutlery etc coming into effect very soon are the likes of the straw/packaging on juice boxes, no more polystyrene noodle cups etc.
Scary stat I got told that I’d never considered before- EVERY piece of plastic ever created still exists in the world in some form.

 

[Inruin]

I work in the industry and can put you at ease that there is a heap of work being done around alternative packaging and sustainability. One problem is the alternatives are generally sizeably more expensive until the technology becomes more available and efficient- rising costs are a tough sell in a cost of living crisis. However many initiatives have come to fruition eg no single use plastics, no plastic straws/plates/cutlery etc coming into effect very soon are the likes of the straw/packaging on juice boxes, no more polystyrene noodle cups etc.
Scary stat I got told that I’d never considered before- EVERY piece of plastic ever created still exists in the world in some form.

or here in NZ where some suppliers have changed to recyclable packaging but there isn't any facility to be able to recycle them yet.....

 

[dean]

or here in NZ where some suppliers have changed to recyclable packaging but there isn't any facility to be able to recycle them yet.....

Refering back to the man at the recyclers, he told me the plastic was packaged up here and sent to China for recycling but they are awash with their own plastic so have stopped buying ours.

 

[Bay39er]

Scary stat I got told that I’d never considered before- EVERY piece of plastic ever created still exists in the world in some form.

Plastic can go through a pyrolysis process to produce a synthetic fuel - is this still plastic in some form?

What form is it when the fuel has been "burned"

 

[Noitall]

Plastic can go through a pyrolysis process to produce a synthetic fuel - is this still plastic in some form?

What form is it when the fuel has been "burned"

Also other areas where plastic has become useful in alternative to timber decking and a road in Taranaki that plastic was used alternatively to bitumen. Again though, cost is the barrier

 

[Worried2Death]

Also other areas where plastic has become useful in alternative to timber decking and a road in Taranaki that plastic was used alternatively to bitumen. Again though, cost is the barrier

Maybe these plastic roads won't be full of potholes within weeks like the current ones