Social ⚔️ Palestine, Israel war.

Rizzah said:
If one set of people are occupied/under oppression/apartheid conditions with family members constantly murdered they will rebel against it (natural thing to do).
This is in the US and Israel's hands, they are the occupying force. They retain control. The US could broker a ceasefire and steps to peace, Israel would need to enter talks in good faith, because they hold the power and are likely to have to cede the most land due to settler violence and confiscation.
If the US and Israel aren't happy with Hamas, offer up an alternative. Negotiate with the PA (West Bank). Drop the blockade and occupation. They could do it in stages. The West Bank first (No Hamas), remove the check points (or at least remove the military from them initially). Allow integration, give Palestinians in Israel the same rights as the Jewish population. Investigate war crimes (both sides), hold people to justice. Some form of restorative justice (ala Truth and reconciliation commission in South Africa). Reparations for Palestinian victims and families. There are so many layers that need to be addressed for this to work - most require Israel to cede some power, which I don't think will happen. Esp with the current govt.
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One of the first steps to lasting peace, is, as you say, for Palestinians to be given the same rights Israeli's in all aspects of their lives including the right to own property anywhere and not have it taken from them. That, or go back to a two state solution. Before the arrival of Islam, most of the Palestinians Arabs would have been Jewish - it distant relations fighting each other.
 
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Just food for thought with the war raging on.. that this time 2morrow people will be exchanging presents and getting fat on Xmas dinner and a few beers or so as well.... all to celebrate a little Jewish boy born in Bethlehem and died in Jerusalem in the land of Judah/Israel some 2000 years ago... it wasn't Palestine back then..
I just hope all my wahs brothers and sisters put away any prejudices and fears and have an enjoyable day 2morrow ... cheers
 
regenerated borg said:
Just food for thought with the war raging on.. that this time 2morrow people will be exchanging presents and getting fat on Xmas dinner and a few beers or so as well.... all to celebrate a little Jewish boy born in Bethlehem and died in Jerusalem in the land of Judah/Israel some 2000 years ago... it wasn't Palestine back then..
I just hope all my wahs brothers and sisters put away any prejudices and fears and have an enjoyable day 2morrow ... cheers
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Not much call for Christmas there atm, although there are apparently about 3 million Palestinian Christians, a lot of them spread far and wide in the diaspora but some still there being bombed. Most of the bombs are paid for by American Christians, and around it goes, merry Xmas borg.
 
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MrFrankWhite MrFrankWhite, the IDF are using the excuse they "used the wrong munnions" when firing on a refugee camp over the weekend. In your experience, does that sound like a load of crap to you, because I thought there would be systems in place to ensure that wouldn't happen.

Any feelings I had of Israel being able to defend itself have long since disappeared.
 
miket12 said:
MrFrankWhite MrFrankWhite, the IDF are using the excuse they "used the wrong munnions" when firing on a refugee camp over the weekend. In your experience, does that sound like a load of crap to you, because I thought there would be systems in place to ensure that wouldn't happen.

Any feelings I had of Israel being able to defend itself have long since disappeared.
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Hahaha well the IDF have been exposed as being fucking hopeless so there’s a chance. While I was never artillery, there’s heaps of checks cos different munitions have different settings. And if you fuck it, you might bomb your own guys.

Also you have no right to self defence if you are illegally occupying a sovereign state.
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Hahaha well the IDF have been exposed as being fucking hopeless so there’s a chance. While I was never artillery, there’s heaps of checks cos different munitions have different settings. And if you fuck it, you might bomb your own guys.

Also you have no right to self defence if you are illegally occupying a sovereign state.
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Considering reports of the IDF killing the hostages they're supposed to be rescuing, the levels of incompetence shouldn't come as a surprise.
 
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I would like our government to be doing more, we are silent on it. Israel doesn't give a fuck what we say but we can pressure the USA who are their bedfellows. Silence is support.
 
regenerated borg said:
Just food for thought with the war raging on.. that this time 2morrow people will be exchanging presents and getting fat on Xmas dinner and a few beers or so as well.... all to celebrate a little Jewish boy born in Bethlehem and died in Jerusalem in the land of Judah/Israel some 2000 years ago... it wasn't Palestine back then..
I just hope all my wahs brothers and sisters put away any prejudices and fears and have an enjoyable day 2morrow ... cheers
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Uhhh , the area of land your referring too has been called Palestine since ancient Egyptian times.... Herodotus called the Geographical area Palestine...
 
miket12 said:
Any feelings I had of Israel being able to defend itself have long since disappeared.
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The US can’t smash Afghanistan; Russia can’t smash Ukraine; Israel is making a meal of smashing Palestine.

3 leading countries with big war budgets showing in the modern world, war is impossible to do well at.
 
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wizard of Tauranga said:
The US can’t smash Afghanistan; Russia can’t smash Ukraine; Israel is making a meal of smashing Palestine.

3 leading countries with big war budgets showing in the modern world, war is impossible to do well at.
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I suppose wiz, it's probably better like that... we all should be glad those so called big 3 have got the sense not to use nukes ... the dominoe effect from other nuke powers would be devastatingly far reaching... thats where Iran's nuclear programme becomes a worry ... those radical Islam's are too irresponsible to possess that sort of fire-power...
 
regenerated borg said:
I suppose wiz, it's probably better like that... we all should be glad those so called big 3 have got the sense not to use nukes ... the dominoe effect from other nuke powers would be devastatingly far reaching... thats where Iran's nuclear programme becomes a worry ... those radical Islam's are too irresponsible to possess that sort of fire-power...
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I’d be more concerned about North Korea than Iran.
 
Noitall said:
I’d be more concerned about North Korea than Iran.
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The North Koreans maybe nuclear or not at least they're not stupid enough to use them ... Islam want the Jews wiped off the map , thats why Iran is doing everything including the uranium enrichment programme to succeed. And them stupid radicals will nuke Israel immediately if they get those bombs. So where will all you palistinian lovers be after that with blood on your hands.. no doubt still support hamas ... the war will get bigger and Palestine and hamas will be but drops in the ocean ... Iran will be Israel's target in 2024 and the US will back it because of the oil
 
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regenerated borg said:
The North Koreans maybe nuclear or not at least they're not stupid enough to use them ... Islam want the Jews wiped off the map , thats why Iran is doing everything including the uranium enrichment programme to succeed. And them stupid radicals will nuke Israel immediately if they get those bombs. So where will all you palistinian lovers be after that with blood on your hands.. no doubt still support hamas ... the war will get bigger and Palestine and hamas will be but drops in the ocean ... Iran will be Israel's target in 2024 and the US will back it because of the oil
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This was from yesterday and shows the growing threat that North Korea is. Israel portrays that of needing to fight back against nazi threat like how they cited this as reasoning for their brutality after hamas attacked and kidnapped Israelis, I personally feel like the Arabs are the equivalent of what the Jews were seen as. A soon as you question anything the Jewish community does in today’s world you are deemed antisemitic and this is dangerous because they are amongst the most powerful people in the money world, Hollywood is run by them. It’s also flawed thinking to think all Palestinians are hamas supporters, it’s like saying all Afghani’s are taliban supporters. They are both people suppressed by fear of what will happen to them and their families if they resist. These groups are terrorist groups and extremists, but I don’t see benjamin netenyahu or israel as being much different at present.
 
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